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Topic: 'SIGNS' far too loud....
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Ken McFall
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 615
From: Haringey, London.
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 10-02-2002 02:27 PM
Has anyone else had problems with the sound level on 'Signs'...At normal fader setting the film was painfully loud! I was aware that we were running it a bit lower... but when I ran myself two days ago it was almost 1 1/5 steps lower on the fader than normal, we have CP45's in our non-THX screens. We were running on DTS at the time. Adverts and trailers were normal, about 5 1/4. I switched between DTS and SR during the film and the levels were matched so its not a setup problem or a difference between the sound formats. I've recently done a full 'B' chain in this screen and no problems so its clearly the print. I thought we'd got away from such dramatic level changes in films with the advent of Dolby becoming standard. Any comments?
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Ken McFall
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 615
From: Haringey, London.
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 10-02-2002 02:54 PM
If we were to run it higher than our normal setting there would be blood pouring from everyones ears!!I can't recall having the same problems when we opened it in SRD in our THX screen..... As I said it's not the equipment as the ads etc are running fine as normal. Odd why you would have to run it higher!! I can't see how different print runs would have any real effect on playback levels.... and even then that would not explain why the DTS levels matched corectly? Just to confirm, other prints are running fine in that screen.
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Manny Knowles
"What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???"
Posts: 4247
From: Bloomington, IN, USA
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 10-02-2002 03:39 PM
I don't want to turn this into a critique of the film but I think there are other reasons why I did not find this movie to be very scary. But I agree that the (lack of) loudness is probably a factor. In contrast, I can still remember seeing the latest "Halloween" movie in a theatre where they must've had a special fader that went all the way up to 20. A deafening experience. I asked them to turn the volume down twice and I don't think they really did anything about it. I was truly living in fear of the next loud passage. Back to "Signs"... I must say I really got a kick out of how the surrounds were used when the creatures were scurrying about on the wooden surfaces overhead. Even in SR it was fun to hear that. ~Manny (the devil is in the details).
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Les Brock
Film Handler
Posts: 42
From: Basingstoke, Hamshire, UK
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 10-02-2002 06:51 PM
At the refurbished High Wycombe Filmworks we ran SIGNS on its opening night.SDDS was used and the fader was run at -2dB. We rehersed the print earlier in the day and ran at reference level 0dB. It did sound on the loud side in places but not ear splitting loud. There is a lot of surround activity but this wasnt over powering.
------------------ Les Brock Principal Engineer SDDS Systems. Priestley Road Basingstoke,Hants United Kingdom, RG24 9JP Phone +44 1256 484924 Les.Brock@sonybpe.com Website www.sdds.com
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Ken McFall
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 615
From: Haringey, London.
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 10-03-2002 05:02 PM
Hi Karen,thanks for that, I do my own installs now and have a full set of equipment and a full set of DTS discs provided by the good people at DTS in the UK. I did in fact check the b-chain levels this morning and they are correct. As I mentioned before the levels are the same if switching between DTS and SR when the feature itself is running so its not an alignment fault between the DTS and the CP45. Besides the adverts and trailers are fine at 5 1/4 which is the normal setting. It's definitely the print and the DTS track as they match.... The print moves into an SRD screen tomorrow so I'll be interested to see how it compares there. This is the first time I've ever had a feature that was as loud as this which is why I raised the point in the first place. All our films run within a 1/4 fader step so to have to run a full step down is very unusual indeed. The only other option is a faulty remote fader. For some silly design reason the volume will go to full if there is a dead spot on the fader track or it becomes disconnected. Additionally you can't setup a CP45 with the remote fader... only the main fader. However that would not explain why the adverts and trailers are fine!! The plot thickens or is it just me
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