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Michael Brown
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Bradford, England
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I will be contacting P&D soon about this but first I would like advice from other UK cinemas.

I have noticed that some cinemas as well as having P&D add reels also show P&D slides before the film. (While non-sync music is playing)

As a Student Cinema we are always looking to pull in extra income from advertising. And if slides were an option for us we would consider showing them.

So:

Will P&D be willing to have slide advertising at a University Cinema?
Do P&D provide the slide projection equipment?



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Ben Wales
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Do P&D provide the slide projection equipment?

No they do not, it is up for the cinema to provide A/V equipment for this (unless you can beg for one), P&D do provide slides as they have the contract with UGC chain in the UK.

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Pete Naples
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On the contrary, in the case of every install I've ever done which is running P&D slides, P&D have re-imbursed the exhibitor for the cost of the slide projectors. The only thing they don't cover is ongoing costs, bulbs, service, repairs etc.

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Ken McFall
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While I agree the extra revenue would be useful to you.... I hate this constant stream of advertising that there is no escape from.
It's bad enough having to watch the advert reel itself so why rob the patron of a few minutes of calm before the show.

We have gone from No curtains, No decorative lighting, No masking (UGC should be ashamed for this policy)and now No escape from advertisers...

If you can avoid it.....


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Michael Brown
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Yeah Why is it UGC don't have masking?

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Ken McFall
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I suppose it a cost cutting exercise. From what I gather, insider information, those places that currently have masking will not get it repaired if it breaks down.... mind you the state of some of their sites leaves a lot to be desired anyway!!

Back to Pearl & Dean slides.... don't if you can avoid it!!

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Brad Haven
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KEN...No masking??
So do you/they just show everything in the 1.85:1 space or inside the scope area, or is it just a plain sheet?

Pearl and Dean in australia closed down a few years back now, but when we worked with them they never payed for the slide projectors or helped out with the upkeep.
These days it's VAL MORGAN advertising or nothing, Val Morgan doesn't like competition, so it just gobbles up the small fries!

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Michael Brown
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quote:
KEN...No masking??
So do you/they just show everything in the 1.85:1 space or inside the scope area, or is it just a plain sheet?

Pearl and Dean in australia closed down a few years back now, but when we worked with them they never payed for the slide projectors or helped out with the upkeep.
These days it's VAL MORGAN advertising or nothing, Val Morgan doesn't like competition, so it just gobbles up the small fries!


UGC Screens are 2.35:1

1.85:1 Flat is shown on the middle of the screen with black space at the sides.


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Ken McFall
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The picture looks low in contrast when there is no side masking to 1.85. Everyone I've met says they hate it. A mate of mine works in a show where one screen out of six has no masking.... and guess which screen they get complaints about!!

The other big problem is high gain screens along with no masking it's about the worst thing imaginable!!

UGC stands for Utterly Ghastly Cinema!!....

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David Graham Rose
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About 8 years ago P&D were very enthusiastic about gaining advertising space in University Cinemas. In fact, I provided Lydia Pohani, with a list of the then current student cinemas in the UK. Whether or not they contacted the cinemas remains unknown. Pearl and dean were always very good to us in as much as every time we popped in to their offices we were always made very welcome and given a nice cup of tea. In addition, they also gave us a set of the original 'pillar titles' from the '50's that they used to run.

I believe Lydia went on to a directorship at Rank Screen Advertising after P&D.

All the best

Dave

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Ken McFall
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Brad just to clear it up.... we have side masking in three screens and top & side in our smallest screen.

The original policy when this cinema opened was to FULLY close the masking prior to the start of the show and during any intervals....

It was truly awful!! it was the first thing I changed when I took over. Masking is set to full open when we open and during intervals with clock projection on screen..... but let's not go there on that one.....

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Ken McFall
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Brad just to clear it up.... we have side masking in three screens and top & side in our smallest screen.

The original policy when this cinema opened was to FULLY close the masking prior to the start of the show and during any intervals....

It was truly awful!! it was like looking into a black hole. The whole front of the auditorium was BLACK!! it was the first thing I changed when I took over.

Masking is set to full open when we open and during intervals with clock projection on screen..... but let's not go there on that one.....

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Bernard Tonks
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Ken,

I first saw a 1.85 wide picture without masking within a masked 2.35 scope screen, much to my disbelief, at a United Artists multiplex in Orlando over 10 years ago. Although the screen was matt white, and obviously the aperture plate was machine cut, naturally I hated the bare sides. The Paramount picture I watched was about Bikers in Florida, which I doubt, saw the light of day in the UK. The story had an environmental message, and actually was quite surprisely good, although I finished up watching the film on my own, as the other audience of three must have screen hopped.

Almost opposite the United Artists was a Cineplex Odeon, both were showing different pictures. I also visited an AMC multiplex which did have movable side masking, and stereo sound. I must say that both cinemas displayed excellent picture and sound, as was presentation! Perhaps still in the days of only dedicated qualified projectionists running the boxes.

It is sad to learn on this Forum that a major multiplex operator in the UK is cheap skating with no movable side masking for 1.85 wide ratio. Like the sides being chopped off of scope on a fixed 1.85 screen, it is about time the Studios stepped in and refused product until poor standards are put right! Whatever next, pictures squeezed or stretched with a variable anamorphic to fit the screen?

I see your cinema got a very nice accolade recently on an UK website.



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Ken McFall
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Hi Bernard...

tell me more about the acolade.... can you give me the address of the web site please.....

I don't know all of the science about this subject but having no side masking, just white sheet, reduces the apparent contrast of the 1.85 picture. As for appature plates, these are not machine cut and as you can imagin are seldom well cut. Cutting plates to masking is hard enough but cutting without an edge to work to is very difficult. Unfortunatly its a skill that very few have as time spent on them is limited so the job gets rushed.

I remember when I worked in the Cannon Tottenham Court Road, the new owners of the Maybox Slough Multiplex, came along to see what the difference was running a picture with the side masking open. We were able to convince him how awful it was and he did put masking in, although I seem to remember that it was hand cranked at the screen!! Better than nothing I suppose.....

However we seem to be getting way off the topic......


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Bernard Tonks
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Hi Ken,

Just going to catch 8mm on CH4.

I will have to do a search, will email you tomorrow morning with a copy!

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