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Topic: Pre-emphasis on optical stereo tracks
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Josh Jones
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From: Plano, TX
Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 10-24-2002 09:01 AM
Is pre-emphasis used in the 35mm optical chain? If so, is it used just to keep the response of the galvamometers in the sound camera balanced, or does it carry through to the print as well, i.e., to increase the s/n ratio as in FM?Just a thought that hit my mind as I was seated upon the throne  Josh ------------------ "Film is made of silver, video is made of rust" 'nuf said
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Ray Derrick
Master Film Handler

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From: Sydney, Australia
Registered: Sep 2001
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posted 10-27-2002 12:40 AM
Indeed, Dolby's A-type and SR noise reduction systems provide a form of pre-emphasis and de-emphasis in that low level sounds are dynamically boosted in the encoder and reduced in the decoder which has the effect of pushing down the level of film noise. However this is very different from conventional pre(de)emphasis which normally uses a fixed filter characteristic. The Academy curve which was used for mono optical before Dolby became involved is primarily a replay-only filter and has a frequency response which falls off at 12dB per octave above about 5kHz. This is why old mono films sound so lacking at the HF end of things. Had it been a complimentary pre-emphasis/de-emphasis system (like the one used for FM radio) the end result would have been an overall flat frequency response (up to the limit of the film medium at the time). ------------------ Ray Derrick President/Chief Engineer Panalogic Corporation Sydney, Australia Phone: 61 (0)2 9894 6655 Fax: 61 (0)2 9894 6935
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Ray Derrick
Master Film Handler

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From: Sydney, Australia
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posted 10-28-2002 07:09 AM
Frank, the Curve X rolloff is essentially a correction for errors in the measurement techniques that we use to measure acoustic frequency response in medium to large rooms. It has to do with the reverberant field verses the direct sound from the loudspeakers.The sound picked up by our measurement microphones includes not only the direct sound but also the reverberant field, which tends to be rolled off at the high frequency end because high frequencies are absorbed more readily than lower frequencies. Our ears however are capable of differentiating between the spectral response of the direct sound and that of the reverberant field, so unlike our microphones, we hear the response of the direct sound and tend to ignore that of the reverberant field. So if you were to equalise for a flat response on an RTA it would sound over emphasised at the high frequency end. The effect is more dramatic the bigger the room and hence the correction rolloff should be increased for larger rooms. In studio control rooms we normally equalise flat, with little or no correction, because the reverberant field is carefully controlled and, also because the room is small, usually fairly flat. So the microphones "hear" about the same response as our ears do. I hope that all makes sense. ------------------ Ray Derrick President/Chief Engineer Panalogic Corporation Sydney, Australia Phone: 61 (0)2 9894 6655 Fax: 61 (0)2 9894 6935
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Ray Derrick
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From: Sydney, Australia
Registered: Sep 2001
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posted 10-29-2002 03:43 AM
Frank, humidity (or rather the lack of it) is the major culprit in sound absorption in air, whereas temperature has far more effect on velocity than on absorption. The rule is: low humidity = high sound absorption, with high frequencies being affected much more than low frequencies. The worst case is between about 10% and 20% relative humidity with absorption being fairly constant above about 50%. So any room designed for sound should have a well maintained relative humidity of 50% or higher. Low temperature results in a loss of velocity for sound waves, however the difference in velocity for a temperature of 0C compared with 40C is only about 7%. By contrast, the difference in the amount of absorption for a 10kHz soundwave (at 20C) at a relative humidity of 20% is more than double what it is at 50%.The observation that sound appears to travel further at different times of the day is due to temperature inversion layers reflecting sound upwards or downwards and has very little relationship with the absolute temperature of the air. Hope this answers your questions sufficiently. ------------------ Ray Derrick President/Chief Engineer Panalogic Corporation Sydney, Australia Phone: 61 (0)2 9894 6655 Fax: 61 (0)2 9894 6935
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