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Mark J. Marshall
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posted 03-03-2003 12:48 PM

I keep seeing references to the new James Cameron Titanic flick, Ghosts Of The Abyss, coming to IMAX 3D and "specially outfitted 35mm theaters". Has anyone heard anything about what "specially outfitted" means - whether it will be the polarized over/under or side by side 3D? Or maybe dual strip?

EDIT: Actually, I see it on the official site too. (Sorry I didn't see it there before.) The site is here. Click on "About the film" and then "Synopsis".

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Bill Langfield
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posted 03-03-2003 01:08 PM

Mark,

As James Cameron is my favourite film maker, your post interests me. (Namely Abyss and T2 in that order)
However, I've been up ALL NIGHT AGAIN.

We have the top/bottom polirized lens. The last 3D we ran was some cartoon feature. Love to try it again.

Could you look into it more, rather than posting links. I kind of hate that.
(Hunting down the exact place referenced can be hard to find)

EDIT : Mark, yeah that site is cool, sorry.

Bill.

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Darryl Spicer
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posted 03-03-2003 01:58 PM

That would have been Starchaser: The Legend of Orin.

One thing you will also need is the hi-reflective silver screen.

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Mark J. Marshall
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posted 03-03-2003 02:00 PM

quote:
Could you look into it more, rather than posting links. I kind of hate that.

I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you mean. The link I posted is where I found "coming to IMAX 3D and specially outfitted 35mm theaters". I posted that link in case anyone was unsure what I was talking about. I was finding that phrase on various film (coming soon type) web sites, and then I later found that phrase on the GOTA web site, which is what I posted. Maybe I didn't phrase it correctly the first time. Sorry about that.

I'm just looking to see if anyone here has any more info on what the "specially outfitted" means in this case. My guess is that most likely it means 1) a silver screen, and 2) either a 2nd projector with interlocked motors, or an over/under or side by side lens configuration. But that's just my guess.

Thanks!

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Claude S. Ayakawa
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posted 03-03-2003 02:09 PM

The film's trailer is also up at

http://www.apple.com/trailers/

-Claude

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Bill Langfield
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posted 03-03-2003 02:28 PM

Daryl,

It may well have been StarChaser (a Cartoon), But by memory the only reason we had the the lens in the first place was for JAWS 3. Agreed that a 'silver' screen is required (which we had) but a HIGH-GAIN screen can work too I'm sure, erm think.

Mark,

Im, sorry, all I think they need for 3D is 'silver' or High-gain screens, then the top/bottom polirized lens (and Patrons to wear those cool paper glasses (we have thousands SOMEWHERE!)

All I know in the 3D that I know of does NOT involve RED/GREEN
or RED/BLUE it uses POLIRIZED(SP) lens and glasses.

The 35mm frame is split in HALF making it a kind of 'super 16mm' scope picture' (Never screw up the spice, everyone will just get a headache, NOT 3D!!!)

Bill!

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John Hawkinson
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posted 03-03-2003 02:42 PM

Mark, the text I have is "specially outfitted 35mm 3D theatres" not "specially outfitted 35mm theatres." That's from the TES website. The following went up on February 21st:

quote:

Ghosts of the Abyss details Release Date: Apr 11, 2003
Rating: G
Runtime:
Academy award winning director and master storyteller James Cameron journeys back to the site of his greatest inspiration - the legendary wreck of the Titanic. With a team of the world's foremost historic and marine experts and friend Bill Paxton, he embarks on an unscripted adventure back to the final grave where nearly 1,500 souls lost their lives almost a century ago. Using state-of-the-art technology developed expressly for this expedition, Cameron and his crew are able to explore virtually all of the wreckage, inside and out, as never before. With the most advanced 3D photography, moviegoers will experience the ship as if they are part of the crew, right inside the dive subs. In this unprecedented motion picture event, made especially for IMAX 3D Theatres and specially outfitted 35mm 3D theatres across the country, Cameron and his team bring audiences to sights not seen since the sinking 90 years ago and explore why the landmark vessel-more than any shipwreck-continues to intrigue and fascinate the public.

(err, also adslicks, EDB one sheets, flat and scope trailers are all "backordered").

--jhawk

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Mark J. Marshall
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posted 03-03-2003 02:47 PM

quote:
"specially outfitted 35mm 3D theatres" not "specially outfitted 35mm theatres"

Of course, you're right. My bad.

quote:
but a HIGH-GAIN screen can work too I'm sure, erm think

I think a silver screen is required to preserve the polarity of the light, whereas a white screen would make the light "scatter", in a sense, and lose its polarity.

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Richard Fowler
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posted 03-03-2003 03:05 PM

The specially outfitted 35mm cinemas will be dual machine.
Richard Fowler
Kinoton America Inc.

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Claude S. Ayakawa
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posted 03-03-2003 03:22 PM

I am sure exhibitors will have to foot the bill for the hardware.
Just how many would you think will bother to go to all that trouple to set up a dual projection 3-D system and a silver screen for a short documentary less than an hour long with no other future products to show in that format? I doubt there will be very many since all of the major cities already have an IMAX 3-D theatre that can show the film wihout any modification.

-Claude

[ 03-03-2003, 04:23 PM: Message edited by: Claude S. Ayakawa ]

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Darryl Spicer
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posted 03-03-2003 03:56 PM

I remember when Friday The 13th came out and they had special prints for the drive-ins to show. They took one of the eye images and squeezed it. You had to use a scope lens to project the image.

In 3D that uses polarity you must use the silver screen in order to direct the light back to you. Like a laser bouncing off a mirrorthe angle of the projector will determin the direction of light. Severe keystoning is bad for 3D.

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Claude S. Ayakawa
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posted 03-03-2003 04:35 PM

The dual 3-D projection system used in the fifties were wonderful and the effects was just as good as the IMAX films. The single projection system used in recent years with flims such as "JAWS 3-D", "FRIDAY THE 13th-3D" were not very good in my opinion. First of all, because the system used a single projector and lamphouse and one had to wear polarized glasses that cut light transmission, the picture was very dark not to metion the very shallow 3D effects. I did not know single projector 3-D was ever shown at drive in theatres. Without installing a new screen with a silver surface, hgow did they manage? Even with regular films, watching movies at drive in theatres with my tinted window was a pain because of the image appearing very dark. 3-D for me at a drive in would be worse.

-Claude

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Adam Martin
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posted 03-03-2003 05:38 PM

FWIW, Spy Kids 3 is being filmed in 3D with the same camera as GOTA.

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Darryl Spicer
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posted 03-03-2003 06:27 PM

it wasn't 3D at the drive-in. They just took one of the eye negatives and squeezed it to scope and you projected it like any other film.

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Mark J. Marshall
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posted 03-04-2003 08:21 AM

quote:
Spy Kids 3 is being filmed in 3D with the same camera as GOTA.

As cheesey as Spy Kids movies can be, THAT should be pretty cool to see.

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