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Author Topic: Is everything in DTS-ES now? John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 04-17-2003 02:06 AM                     Lately, pretty much every disc I'm getting from DTS has the five-digit ES code on it. This makes a pretty big change from recent times when you could pretty much count the recent releases in ES/EX on two hands... Has the coding system changed or is ES being used a helluva lot more nowadays...eben on things you'd not expect like Anger Management and Bringing Down The House. Interestingly, these films generally do not auto EX on the CP650 so this also leads me to ask the above question. Thanks and it's nice to see you guys again. John  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 04-17-2003 04:15 AM                        Do they auto-ES on a DTS-ES unit?  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 04-17-2003 06:22 PM                     Something must be amiss with those 5-digit serial numbers. Normally, most theatrial releases supporting DTS-ES also support Dolby Digital Surround EX as well. According to Dolby's website, the Lord of the Rings films and Matrix films are the only ones showing DD-EX. Another interesting note is their "previously released DD-EX films" list. They have separate columns for theatrical release and DVD. It seems like a lot of movies are getting DD-EX only on the home theater end. http://www.dolby.com/movies/films_previous.html  |  IP: Logged Karen Hultgren Master Film Handler Posts: 492 From: Agoura Hills, CA, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 04-17-2003 06:29 PM                        There is an "auto ES" on the DTS-ES unit. All they have to do is program it for that function. Karen at DTS khultgren@dtsonline.com  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 04-18-2003 01:35 AM                        Yeah I like the DTS-ES unit. I got two of them when Episode 1 came out. I guess my post was a bit ambiguous, but the question was actually directed towards John. I was asking if the DTS discs engage the auto-ES feature. If they did, then I would certainly assume that the movie is in ES.  |  IP: Logged John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 04-19-2003 03:31 AM                     Then I shall direct my answer to you Joe. I don't have an ES unit. Damn...I have everything else Add to that list How To Lose A Guy In Ten Days...now why would THIS be in ES? I've always thought if it was in ES then it is in EX. Is that not a fact? Dolby should really start making the labs or whomever start writing EX on the leaders. Take the guesswork out of it for me.  |  IP: Logged Per Hauberg Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 883 From: Malling, Denmark Registered: Jul 2000 posted 04-19-2003 03:59 AM                        Properly marked prints, mainly regarding soundformat, but in this area even picture format, seems to be a place in Siberia (no offence meant against Siberian members !). When marked EX, I believe, Karen has explained, You can be sure, the film is also ES, but this as well as picture format ought to be on leaders as well as film cans to secure correct presentation, including shows, where You receive the print so late, that You have no chance to run a test. Trouble is, that distributors doesn't even know, what it is all about: Wheather it is lack of knowledge or plain givin' up, 'cause they know that half the theaters have 2 lenses only and don't care, I don't know, but those damned dogme-films (danish invention, ) are delivered here in cans, marked WideScreen 1:37 : 1, and a big house as UIP DK simply denies to distinct 1:66 from 1:85 when labelling - all prints just marked "WS" !! Posters - not only local versions, but often international, too, comes with a logo, just saying "Dolby" and a double d and nothing more, even if film has every possible soundtrack on it. Then why spend a lot of time and money to make a top quality soundtrack, if it is no even used for marketing the film ?? I think sloppy is the word... Per  |  IP: Logged John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 04-20-2003 04:28 AM                     So, if it's marked EX and it is then to be deemed automatically ES, does this not work the other way also? ES is automatically EX?  |  IP: Logged Michael Schaffer "Where is the Boardwalk Hotel?" Posts: 4143 From: Boston, MA Registered: Apr 2002 posted 04-20-2003 11:53 AM                        Yes.  |  IP: Logged Karen Hultgren Master Film Handler Posts: 492 From: Agoura Hills, CA, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 04-21-2003 11:53 AM                        If a film is labeled "EX" it is Dolby extended surround. If it is "ES", it is DTS. Usually, if a film is released in EX it will also be in ES. Karen at DTS khultgren@dtsonline.eocm  |  IP: Logged Antonio Marcheselli Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1260 From: Florence, Italy Registered: Mar 2000 posted 04-21-2003 04:55 PM                        Usually? Isn't it like Pro logic? Stereo film IS pro logic (if pro logic was applied to the original track). Bye Antonio  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 04-22-2003 05:48 AM                     Antonio, You are right. Mark  |  IP: Logged John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 04-27-2003 01:10 AM                     Thanks to everyone for their responses. Michael Shaeffer you seem to have a definate response which logically, would work with me. However, are you saying this with definate knowledge or is that your assumption? Please confirm. Honestly though...there's no other forum where so many film makers and equipment makers and film handlers get together in the whole world...if I can't get my answer here, what hope does the industry have of having their films played in the correct format? AND that being the case, if they care so little for the exhibitor as to not bother labelling print leaders with ACCURATE information, then why bother with EX in the first place? It used to be so simple...(sigh)  |  IP: Logged Antonio Marcheselli Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1260 From: Florence, Italy Registered: Mar 2000 posted 04-27-2003 07:10 AM                        IN your knowledge, is it possibile to have a source in Pro Logic and convert it in normal stereo? It is nonsense, I know, but here in Italy the first "Lord of the Ring" DVD cames out with English EX and Italian 5.1. There are two possibilities 1. The distributor knows that many people know nothing on EX and says that the first edition doesn't have EX code so that they can sell the second edition... 2. For budget reason (or others) they cannot afford EX license (I'm guessing) and there is a way to remove the EX/ES code from the recording... Perhaps can be the same in the cinema? A producer cannot afford EX/ES and print their movies with WX but with no ES... Karen, is there a difference in price if the soundtrack is recorder ES/EX? I'm not talking about mixing, just the money that producers has to pay to DTS/Dolby for the use of the technology. Bye Antonio  |  IP: Logged Michael Brown Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1522 From: Bradford, England Registered: May 2001 posted 04-27-2003 08:01 AM                     WX?  |  IP: Logged

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