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Author Topic: Burning DTS disks Kyle Watkins Expert Film Handler Posts: 185 From: Stuart, FL, USA Registered: Sep 2001 posted 05-05-2003 01:21 AM                     Will the DTS player (DTS-6D) read CD-RW disks? When we start our free summer kiddie shows. I like to be able to play in DTS in our DTS houses. It be cheapter to buy CD-RW instead of CD-R. Thanks Kyle  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 05-05-2003 01:44 AM                     Just copy them like any audio cd. With CDRs being about a nickel these days, just burn a 2nd copy for your interlocks and then toss it. I've never tried CDRWs, but there is no reason why it wouldn't work.  |  IP: Logged Paul G. Thompson The Weenie Man Posts: 4718 From: Mount Vernon WA USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 05-05-2003 02:07 AM                     CDRW's can take too long to initially format. Other than that, you'll just have to try it. Like Brad said, there should be no reason for them not to work.  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 05-05-2003 05:49 AM                        quote: CDRW's can take too long to initially format. Surely you only need to format them if writing in UDF format. If you're just burning a normal ISO9660 image onto a CD-RW, I can't see any reason why you can't just shove it in and burn away. As far as I can see, the only issue would be whether the CD-ROM drive(s) in the DTS player can physically read the data off a CD-RW (multiread compatible or not). Even if it/they can't, you could probably replace them with one(s) that can for very little expense. I'd be reluctant to do that, though, because CD-RWs are far more susceptible to dirt and scratching and the last thing you want is for the DTS to fail during a show. As Brad points out, CD-Rs are virtually given away nowadays. Given that you don't need the recording to last for any signficant length of time (i.e. just for the week or two you're playing the film), I'd just buy the really cheap CD-Rs and bin them when you're done.  |  IP: Logged Michael Schaffer "Where is the Boardwalk Hotel?" Posts: 4143 From: Boston, MA Registered: Apr 2002 posted 05-05-2003 06:31 AM                        The TEAC 32x CD-ROM drives which are in most dts-6D will probably not read CD-RW. I remember one or two occasions when they rejected CD-RWs. However, there are different types of CD-RW. Maybe the drives have less problems with some of them. I don`t have a dts-6D within reach at this time, so it would be interesting if somebody could try it and let us know if it worked!  |  IP: Logged Kyle Watkins Expert Film Handler Posts: 185 From: Stuart, FL, USA Registered: Sep 2001 posted 05-05-2003 09:56 AM                     I sould of mention before. I be burning 6 extra copies. We are doing 2 days this year, hopefully it be the same movie. If not that be even more burning. But any how those 6 extra copys can add up in money, and im not sure if home office will spend the money. Since no one had tried to use CD-RW, and if no body beats me to it, i give it a try, and see whats happens. Kyle  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-05-2003 10:20 AM                     If you have some of the older CD drives like the 2x toshibas they may have problems reading a disk burned at a hirer speed  |  IP: Logged Thomas Procyk Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1842 From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 05-05-2003 11:20 AM                     We recently had to "upgrade" our drives on one of our DTS units when it would drop out during the show. The drives were replaced with actual CD-RW drives. In the past, I found if it's not an actual CD-RW drive, you would need an extra piece of software (like DirectCD) to read/write to it. Haven't experienced this lately since almost all drives these days are CD-RW and there are very few plain old CD-R drives out there. =TMP=  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-05-2003 12:46 PM                        How much are CD-R blanks there, anyway? In a day and age where the blanks can be found (in my area, anyway) for $0-$.20 apiece, I don't really see the point of the rewriteable media, especially with its increased tendency to not play in many drives. I like Taiyo Yuden CD-R media; Mitsumi is a good choice, too. Avoid the cheapo brands in general (though they might work OK for your purposes).  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 05-05-2003 02:47 PM                        CD-RW?!? Noooooo! I once had a CD-RW DTS test disc... it never really worked well (if at all). Even if you were to burn 6 copies of each disc or 12 a week, it wouldn't cost you much more than $4.00 a week anyway. If the company won't cover that cost then just make sure your SR sound is well tuned. Why do you need 6 copies of each disc anyway? How many weeks are you going to be running these movies for... is the cost of the 12 CD-RW's (per movie for 6 copies each) really cheaper than the weekly cost of CD-R's?  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-05-2003 03:47 PM                     Don't forget, you have to keep CD-RWs scrupulously clean. When you try to erase/reburn them, the TINIEST little scratches or specks of dirt can cause a bad burn and the disk won't read... even IF the drive is supposed to read CD-RWs. You will have to burn each set of disks and take them straight to the players, keeping them in their cases the whole time. No fingerprints! No setting them down on top of the rack unless they are inside their case! If your booth is anything like the ones I worked in, prints move around all the time and disks get switched on an almost daily basis. CD-RWs that get suffled around that much are bound to get scratched and dirty in a short period of time. If people who work in your area are anything like the ones I used to work with, they won't respect the fact that those disks have to be kept "Hospital Clean". They will trash them in no time flat, necessitating their replacement in a short time. If you get plain old CD-Rs, you burn the disk, use it and toss it when you're done. If the disk gets dirty, scratched or just plain stops working you simply toss it out and burn another. I like to burn music CDs to play in my car on long trips. When the trip's over I TOSS the disks! CD-Rs literally cost 25 cents apiece. You can afford to toss them. CD-RWs are a lot more expensive. Last time I bought disks I got a whole "cake box" of 100 disks for less than $25.00. If you use an average of 10 disks a week, your weekly cost will be $2.50 and you will only have to replenish your stock every 10 weeks or so. (If you don't waste disks.) Buy CD-RWs and pay at least $10 for a set of them, which you will have to replace every few weeks as they stop working, one by one, and you will end up spending a lot more money in the end. How about doing a test run before deciding on which route to take? Buy 2 sets of CD-RWs and 2 sets of CD-Rs. Burn them and use them as normal. 1) See if the CD-RWs actually work. If not, you didn't spend a whole lot of money just to find that out. 2) See if the CD-RWs get beat up and require replacement. 3) See how many copies of the disks you ACTUALLY end up burning every week. (Some weeks you might not burn ANY. Other weeks you might burn enough for ALL your players 4) Do a cost analysis based on what you found out from your experiments: Average of "D" disks per week at "C" dollars per disk = "W" average cost per week. Run this analysis for a month or so, every week. (Or just program it into a spreadsheet and make a prediction.) After your experimental period you ought to be able tell your home office exactly how much things will cost them in the long run. If you can supply your bosses the "math" that shows that something will be cheaper in the long run they'd be fools not to listen. Furthermore, if they DON'T listen to your advice they won't have a leg to stand on when they try to complain about too much money being spent.  |  IP: Logged Bruce Hansen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 847 From: Stone Mountain, GA, USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 05-05-2003 06:48 PM                     Look at the ads that come with your Sunday paper. You will find someone selling a 50 pack of CD-R's for somewhere between $5.00 and $1.99. Forget CD-RW's, they are a pain, and too expensive.  |  IP: Logged Darryl Spicer Film God Posts: 3250 From: Lexington, KY, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 05-05-2003 06:52 PM                    From what I remember reading when I bought my first CD-r/rw drive. You could not put a CD-RW disc in a drive that was not CD-RW capable and expect it to read correctly or read at all. We tried to burn a copy of a DTS disce and run it using a CD-R but the unit kept refusing to run it. Don't know why. I was not the one who burned the copy so I am not sure what they may have done in the burning process.  |  IP: Logged Kyle Watkins Expert Film Handler Posts: 185 From: Stuart, FL, USA Registered: Sep 2001 posted 05-05-2003 08:01 PM                     Well i guess i skip out on the CD-RW. I see how much the CD-R will cost. The reason i need 6 copies is we are interlocking 13 projectors. Not sure how many weeks we are doing this year, but i do no we are doing it 2 times a week. Kyle  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 05-05-2003 08:09 PM                     Just make CD-R dupes. Your time is worth more than the very minor cost savings of trying to re-use some CD-RW discs. RW just takes too long to write and, like some have pointed out, they probably won't be read in the DTS drives. The CD-ROM drives in the DTS-6D units don't seem to have any problem reading 8X-speed written CDs. The old 2-drive units with the Toshiba drives could reject them though. If you write CDs at faster speeds be sure to test the discs before trying them out on a paying audience.  |  IP: Logged

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