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Author Topic: Strong AP3 Platter make-up mode Barry Floyd Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1079 From: Lebanon, Tennessee, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 08-26-2003 11:10 AM                        My new drive-in opens tomorrow night. We'll build our first print tonight, as it's only a single feature. However, on Thursday night, I want to be able to load my Friday night double features WHILE the other show is running. Is that possible?? I can't find anywhere in the manual that says you can load one print while another is running?  |  IP: Logged Aaron Sisemore Flaming Ribs beat Reeses Peanut Butter Cups any day! Posts: 3061 From: Rockwall TX USA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 08-26-2003 11:23 AM                     Sure you can make or break a show while another is playing. When the deck you are making up to is in 'make up' mode, its only control is from the MUT (and of course the deck is disengaged from the motor for breaking down). -Aaron  |  IP: Logged Paul G. Thompson The Weenie Man Posts: 4718 From: Mount Vernon WA USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 08-26-2003 01:23 PM                     Barry, the only thing I can mention is that when you assemble or break down a print, be careful of the speed at what you do it at. As far as I know, the AP3 platter still uses outriggers. If so, the wind currents created by the outriggers of the deck just above the deck you are using as payout will make that payout very unstable. Keep an eye on the payout head and you can easily tell if you are using too much speed in break-down or make-up. As a rule, I very seldom make up or break down a show when the deck below it is in the pay-out mode. Generally, I'll make sure I am taking up on the deck below the deck used for building or dismantling. Reading the above might be confusing.....so whatever you use, just watch your speed and you should have no problems develope with flim flying all over the place.  |  IP: Logged Barry Floyd Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1079 From: Lebanon, Tennessee, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 08-26-2003 02:14 PM                        Thanks guys for your help. I've downloaded the manuals for both the table and the platter, and am printing out the "TIPS" sections for Theading, Building and Splicing. I've never built a print in my life, and I go on screen Wednesday night at 8:00 p.m. (CDST), so I guess now would be a good time to learn. I don't have any of those "suction cups" or "Beavan Poo's" or whatever they're called. Do I need to find some before tonight? Wish us luck  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 08-26-2003 02:33 PM                        Barry, to be safe, just build up and especially break down from the bottom deck if you've got another show running at the time, at least until you get used to it. That way you won't have to worry about the control plate's arm getting bounced all over the place from the wind generated by the spinning decks. You should be fine without suction cups or beavan poo's. Just tuck the tail under the print. With an AP3, tuck the side of the film touching the deck under the print first. To avoid a tail wrap, make sure that the roll (print) doesn't cover the entire width of the tucked tail (leave an 1/8" at the narrowest part). Good luck! I'm sure you'll have a great time.  |  IP: Logged Paul G. Thompson The Weenie Man Posts: 4718 From: Mount Vernon WA USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 08-26-2003 09:49 PM                     As far as stickum puckies are concerned, I simply take a preview and masking tape and wrap them with masking tape so the sticky side of the tape is out. Works great!  |  IP: Logged Chris Hipp Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1462 From: Mesquite, Tx (east of Dallas) Registered: Jul 2003 posted 08-27-2003 12:20 AM                     Be careful when stopping and starting the platter during tear down. I have seen the film fly off and become tangled in the take up carriage and cause a big mess.  |  IP: Logged William Hooper Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1879 From: Mobile, AL USA Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-27-2003 12:33 AM                        quote: I don't have any of those "suction cups" or "Beavan Poo's" or whatever they're called. Do I need to find some before tonight? I've had only occasional success with the tail tuck. If you can't get it to stay & have got to be sure of the show, take a couple of screw tops from 20 oz Cokes, stick a sticky-side-out loop of masking or duct tape on the flat part, & plant them at the perimeter of the feedout near the tail. Be sure to clean the deck after that show has run. "Tail tuck" sounds like a plastic surgery procedure.  |  IP: Logged Dustin Mitchell Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1865 From: Mondovi, WI, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 08-27-2003 01:13 AM                     Daryl, are you sure you don't have that reversed? I've always tucked the top edge of the film under the roll and the few times an inexperienced operator has tucked the buttom edge in is when we've gotten our tail wraps.  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 08-27-2003 02:05 AM                        You only get a tail wrap if you let the tail disappear for a bit under the print. I've never had a problem with doing it that way... and I find it holds better than top under first. If you have problems with the tail tuck not holding tuck a little further in from the end of the tail so that there is a support brace right under where you are tucking. Of course if you don't like tail tucking you could always make some loops to place around the print.  |  IP: Logged Dustin Mitchell Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1865 From: Mondovi, WI, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 08-27-2003 03:26 AM                     *shrugs* To each their own I guess, I've never had a problem with a top-tuck coming loose on me, but I could just be lucky.  |  IP: Logged Darryl Spicer Film God Posts: 3250 From: Lexington, KY, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 08-27-2003 08:57 AM                    if those platter decks are metal not aluminum you can go out and get you some of those little magnets with adhesive on them and some of the bottle tops like you would find on 1 leter bottles, they are a bit bigger than the 20 oz bottles. Just tape the magnet to the top and it will magnetically stick to the platter so long as it is metal. You can also build up on those type decks if the platter below it has the film taking up on it. The wind will not bother it then. If you are wanting to build up your double feature on one platter it can be done so long as the running time does not exceed 4 hrs.  |  IP: Logged Dave Macaulay Film God Posts: 2321 From: Toronto, Canada Registered: Apr 2001 posted 08-27-2003 09:11 AM                     Strong platters are aluminum. Although the disc can turn fairly quickly at startup, I've used hockey pucks as "end-holders" sometimes and never had one fly off. Rubbing the face on some raw cement removes any hardened rubber and gives a good grip if I'm doubtful. I don't like the suction cups that come with the platter and haven't ever seen them acually in use, like any suction cup they require a very smooth surface and will detach in time regardless. If you're unfamiliar with platters it's easy to miss the very very important rule of NEVER taping the outside end. Don't!!! The best possible result is torn film, but the payout can be heavily damaged and even show-stopping projector damage is possible.  |  IP: Logged Jim Alexander Film Handler Posts: 71 From: Greenwood, Nova Scotia, Canada Registered: Nov 1999 posted 08-27-2003 09:21 AM                        Tried the tuck, don't like it (both the top and the bottom). Tried the "sucky" think, seldom work. Got the idea of a film wrap, here on the forum, works great! Take a length of old trailer, or leader, and wrap it around the movie and tape it to it's self. Be sure not to let the tape touch the movie as it will then try to pull it though the brain, which is not a good idea. When the movie plays though the wrap will be left on the platter at the end. Wanted to try the puck, but never got around to it before finding the wrap, so I can't say.  |  IP: Logged Tim Reed Better Projection Pays Posts: 5246 From: Northampton, PA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 08-27-2003 09:22 AM                       At the South Park D/I in Louisville, I used a small clip board-style clip (like we used to hang time schedules up with), and just clamped the film end down to the platter. You had to remember it was there, but after knocking it loose once or twice, you won't do it again.  |  IP: Logged

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