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Author Topic: Optical sound format for Clockwork Orange re-issue? William Hooper Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1879 From: Mobile, AL USA Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-29-2003 06:25 AM                        The IMDB notes that the sound format for the Clockwork Orange re-issue was Dolby Digital. It was originally mono, did they re-mix it for stereo & put an SR optical track on it? IMDB also has the re-issues as being outside the US. Has anyone in the US gotten the DD print?  |  IP: Logged Stephen Furley Film God Posts: 3059 From: Coulsdon, Croydon, England Registered: May 2002 posted 08-29-2003 06:32 AM                     They certainly made a stereo re-mix of it, because my DVD has both mono and 5.1 channel versions, both are Dolby Digital, there is no DTS, MPEG or PCM. Whether the stereo mix was used on the theatrical re-release I don't know, but I would think it was probable, unless it was not ready at the time that the new negatives were made, which I suppose would be possible if the theatrical re-release was a rush job. I seem to remember that the DVD release came very soom after the theatrical re-release, at least it did here in the UK, but the situation here with this title was rather strange, the film having been withdrawn from distribution at the request of Kubrick soon after its original release, and no video release ever having been made. The film had been totally unavailable here, in any legitimate form, for almost thirty years.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-29-2003 06:46 AM                        The new prints that were made around 1997-1998 for the WB 75th festival had mono tracks (and looked stunning). Those print numbers begin with "97" or "98" (e.g. "98001"). As far as I know, it hasn't been reprinted since then.  |  IP: Logged Michael Brown Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1522 From: Bradford, England Registered: May 2001 posted 08-29-2003 08:54 AM                     If a film has a Dolby Digital track then the analog track will be Dolby SR. I think this is a rule.  |  IP: Logged Tim Reed Better Projection Pays Posts: 5246 From: Northampton, PA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 08-29-2003 09:11 AM                       Michael, I think that is an unwritten rule. I spoke with someone at Dolby in L.A. once and they said it could be anything, if the filmmaker wanted it that way. The original release of Clockwork Orange had mono Dolby A tracks.  |  IP: Logged Stephen Furley Film God Posts: 3059 From: Coulsdon, Croydon, England Registered: May 2002 posted 08-29-2003 09:15 AM                     Scott wrote: quote: The new prints that were made around 1997-1998 for the WB 75th festival had mono tracks (and looked stunning). Those print numbers begin with "97" or "98" (e.g. "98001"). As far as I know, it hasn't been reprinted since then. Our release was quite a bit later than that; I can't remember the date, but when Kubrick died the NFT did a tribute season, but weren't able to include 'A Clockwork Orange' as far as I remember, but not very long afterwards the re-release was anounced. I wasn't able to get to the cinema to see it, but the DVD (with the stereo re-mix) was in the shops soon afterwards. Tim wrote: quote: The original release of Clockwork Orange had mono Dolby A tracks. When was Dolby A mono introduced on film? 1971 sounds early, but I can't find a date on the Dolby site. Were all prints Dolby? If the Cat 364 /E2 combination was available then, very few cinemas would have had it.  |  IP: Logged Jeffry L. Johnson Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 809 From: Cleveland, Ohio, USA Registered: Apr 2000 posted 08-29-2003 11:53 AM                        I think Dolby noise reduction was used in production and post-production. Original release prints were mono and did not have noise reduction encoding.  |  IP: Logged Mitchell Dvoskin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1869 From: West Milford, NJ, USA Registered: Jan 2001 posted 08-29-2003 12:29 PM                     Dolby is credited in Clockwork Orange because it is one of the first films to use dolby noise reduction in post production sound mixing. All original release prints of the film were non-dolby mono. /Mitchell  |  IP: Logged Matt Hale Expert Film Handler Posts: 123 From: Vancouver, Canada Registered: Dec 2002 posted 08-29-2003 02:35 PM                        Wendy Carlos used Dolby A extensively in the production of the synthesized score for Clockwork Orange. Without a polyphonic synth and only an 8-track recorder (may have been more by that point - Switched-On Bach was only 8) tracks had to be bounced and bounced and bounced to make enough space for multi-layered orchestral arrangements. Without Dobly A it would have been mostly hiss.  |  IP: Logged Chris Markiewicz Expert Film Handler Posts: 209 From: Glenaviegh, County Tipperary, Ireland Registered: Aug 2002 posted 08-29-2003 03:37 PM                     Dobly??? Spinal Tap lives!  |  IP: Logged Tim Reed Better Projection Pays Posts: 5246 From: Northampton, PA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 08-29-2003 03:38 PM                       "Tommy" was Dolby A mono.  |  IP: Logged Bill Gabel Film God Posts: 3873 From: Technicolor / Postworks NY, USA Registered: Jan 2002 posted 08-29-2003 03:48 PM                     "Tommy" had 4 Track Mag Stereo prints available and some engagements were presented in Quintaphonic Sound (5 channel). There was 70MM prints available for the 1977 reissue.  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-29-2003 04:27 PM                     Tommy probably had more different alternate sound formats than many other titles Quintephonic 4 track qs matirxed dbx mag prints 70mm prints with Dolby NR Dolby mono prints standard mono prints 70mm dbx print with split surround (similar to the 35mm quint system)  |  IP: Logged Michael Coate Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1904 From: Los Angeles, California Registered: Feb 2001 posted 08-29-2003 04:41 PM                     quote: Tommy probably had more different alternate sound formats than many other titles Tommy has also had some Dolby SR prints made in the past decade. And recently, even some SDDS prints have surfaced (which mirror the original Quintaphonic channel layout). quote: 70mm dbx print with split surround (similar to the 35mm quint system) And how might such a print be reproduced if this occured prior to the introduction of Dolby split surround? I mentioned in the CDS thread recently that the book Wide Screen Movies mentions Tommy as having the most number of print formats. I commented that Fantasia may hold that distinction if one factors in both picture and sound formats and re-releases. A couple of years ago the American Cinematheque in Los Angeles ran a Stanley Kubrick fest. The titles in which new prints were supplied had digital sound. A Clockwork Orange, Barry Lyndon, The Shining, etc.  |  IP: Logged Jeffry L. Johnson Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 809 From: Cleveland, Ohio, USA Registered: Apr 2000 posted 08-29-2003 06:15 PM                        S80/2696/2804 "This list contains films which have been released with Dolby encoded sound-tracks. In some cases the film is available with alternative formats in different countries." 1972 Feb. Quiet Revolution 1973 Speed Merchants 1974 Little Prince Callan Stardust Flame Alfie Darling Rocky Horror Picture Show  |  IP: Logged

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