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Author Topic: FILMGUARDING films before mastering to DVD Bill Langfield Master Film Handler Posts: 280 From: Prospect, NSW, Australia Registered: Apr 2001 posted 10-18-2003 08:38 AM                        If you are like me, you hire out DVD's, mainly for the extras, even if quality of the extras suck (ie deleted scenes) BUT the feature itself is often rotten, looks like its had at least 2 runs at a Hoyts or about 300 runs in a proper place. Sometimes even films that are only a few years old are terrible. (You know the black specks all over the place from Christie projectors or the base scratches from Cinemecannicas) What if..... A film company mastered a film to DVD, then that same film was cleaned with filmguard then mastered to DVD and compare the difference. Surely its going to look MUCH better. Anyone else disappointed with the reproduction of some DVD's??? Bill.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 10-18-2003 12:02 PM                     Is this an issue with low budget films on DVD? I ask because the few DVDs I have seen have all been very clean and obviously mastered from the camera negative or one step from it.  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-18-2003 12:27 PM                     Telecine chains like the Rank Ursa gold and the likes can have no wet content or oils on the film or it will destabalise the ruber guidence rollers  |  IP: Logged Tim Reed Better Projection Pays Posts: 5246 From: Northampton, PA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 10-18-2003 12:29 PM                       Gord.. it'll do what to the rollers?  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-18-2003 01:07 PM                     First the film will slip causing a rolling frame line And if there is any trace of any petroleum based substance on the rollers after about a day they willstart to develop a form of rot Rank and Bauch both had a warranty escape clause over oils and the likes on prints run on them Most of the transfer houses here ultrasonicaly clean the prints before tranfer more to protect the telecine than clean the content  |  IP: Logged Michael Schaffer "Where is the Boardwalk Hotel?" Posts: 4143 From: Boston, MA Registered: Apr 2002 posted 10-18-2003 03:20 PM                        Can I also use FilmGuard on my DVDs?  |  IP: Logged Travis Hubrig Expert Film Handler Posts: 175 From: Minot ND, USA Registered: May 2003 posted 10-18-2003 03:46 PM                     Michael, The first few times you run the DVD, you may notice slight streaking, It will go away with use.  |  IP: Logged Adam Martin I'm not even gonna point out the irony. Posts: 3686 From: Dallas, TX Registered: Nov 2000 posted 10-18-2003 03:59 PM                     The use of FilmGuard on DVDs was discussed here, where John Lasher finally corrected the spelling of the state he lives in.  |  IP: Logged Jeff Joseph Expert Film Handler Posts: 131 From: Palmdale, CA, USA Registered: Jun 2000 posted 10-19-2003 01:34 PM                        We frequently transfer dirty/scratchy film (mostly old trailers). We used to use TomaCote (no longer available, but similar to FilmGuard) to act as a wet gate before telecine. But transfer houses got very very nervous for the reasons stated above, so we no longer do this. Fortunately, there is still ONE transfer facility that uses a chemical wet gate on their Rank, so that's where we send all our work. (It's "Film and Video Transfer", in Cangoa Park, California.) He a person who owns his own Rank and is willing to take the risk to his equipment. Jeff Joseph SabuCat Productions  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-19-2003 02:10 PM                     For telecine work Hydro Naptha works well at removing any oil based reidue and dirt The SanLab SpectraClean works well with it  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 10-20-2003 09:32 AM                        The very diffuse xenon illumination provided by the Kodak-designed and built optics on the Thomson Spirit DataCine is very effective in reducing the visibility of any surface imperfections on the film during transfer: http://www.thomsongrassvalley.com/products/film/spirit/stick_desc.html http://www.thomsongrassvalley.com/products/film/spirit/stick_desc.html http://www.thomsongrassvalley.com/products/film/spirit_4k/  |  IP: Logged Bill Langfield Master Film Handler Posts: 280 From: Prospect, NSW, Australia Registered: Apr 2001 posted 10-20-2003 02:21 PM                        With all respect to Jeff, Gordon and John. I think My original question was lost. Brad, I taking MAINSTREAM wide release BIG budget movies movies. (Mainly) I mostly only hire the DVDs and only have bothered buying a few. SE = Collectors Edition or Special Edition or Limited Edition (They should just stick with Special Edition) Leaving out the kids DVD's (Spiderman CE, X-men, Shrek etc etc) All I have is Close Encounters SE, Superman SE, Superman 2 Dodgy Edition!!, Supergirl LE, Abyss SE, The Terminator SE and THIS IS SPINAL TAP(SE) Oh and LIFE of BRIAN. I cant remember which annoyed me enough to bring subject up, but I think Almost all of the one's I own made me wonder... WOULD the same print copied to DVD by the studio or who ever does it, look as good as one cleaned up by filmguard first. To everyone just go to Blockbuster and hire a bunch of weekies that are only a few year old, and watch closely. Reviewers talk of artifacts, I watch more for the black spots (I wonder if film guard could also remove the negative white spots, however I think not) Bill.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 10-20-2003 02:38 PM                        Most video transfers are now made from pre-print elements, usually a timed master positive or duplicate negative. Release prints are almost never used for video transfers. The elements are cleaned prior to being put on the telecine, and there is also on-line cleaning. A rare dirt particle on a master positive would create a black shadow image, dirt on a duplicate negative would show up as a white speck. Even if some dirt images get through in the transfer, they are often removed in post production and mastering: http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/digital/mastering.shtml  |  IP: Logged Stephen Furley Film God Posts: 3059 From: Coulsdon, Croydon, England Registered: May 2002 posted 10-21-2003 07:24 AM                     Almost all of the DVDs that I have, about forty now, are very good transfers, even on the older films. The oldest one I have is 42nd Street, and they have managed to find very good elements for the transfer. The only exceptions to this are not feature films; the odd trailer which has obviously been transferred from an old print, I assume that they couldn't find anything better, and some older television material, which was originated either on a compoite PAL tape format, or on old VNF. Sorry, there is one feature film, but not a conventional one, 'Bowling for Columbine', but you wouldn't expect high image quality, considering the type of material included in this film, i.e. news and security camera material.  |  IP: Logged John Spooner Expert Film Handler Posts: 186 From: South Australia, Australia Registered: Jan 2003 posted 10-21-2003 01:27 PM                     Just a enquiry to my Aussie colleagues. Is Film Guard used by anyone in Australian cinemas, as I would imagine the price down under would tend to be quite costly after shipping and exchange rates. John Spooner, Adelaide.  |  IP: Logged

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