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Author Topic: 70mm on the up Pete Naples Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1565 From: Dunfermline, Scotland Registered: Feb 2001 posted 11-04-2003 02:41 PM                     Just done another 35/70mm install here in the UK, not really at liberty to say where as yet, but it's nowhere you'd expect! Nice to put a solid old Vic 8 back into proper service, after a bit of spit and polish. Looks like it will continue to give sterling service in it's new home.  |  IP: Logged Darren Briggs Master Film Handler Posts: 371 From: York, UK Registered: Dec 2001 posted 11-04-2003 02:50 PM                        Nice one Pete, a good trusty Vic 8 will do 70mm proud! Cant wait to hear where it is. And will they program 70mm often? Darren  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 11-04-2003 02:52 PM                        That's the key to it, and where Darren has done so much. There are actually a fair few 70mm prints still extant here, and he's actuall y showing them, regularly, about 500 yards from my flat...  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 11-04-2003 02:58 PM                        I've heard rumors that additional labs will be offering 70mm printing and processing. 65mm and 70mm motion-picture film are catalog-listed items by Kodak: http://www.kodak.com/US/plugins/acrobat/en/motion/catalog/colorNeg.pdf http://www.kodak.com/US/plugins/acrobat/en/motion/catalog/colorInt.pdf http://www.kodak.com/US/plugins/acrobat/en/motion/catalog/colorPrint.pdf http://www.kodak.com/US/plugins/acrobat/en/motion/catalog/bwPrint.pdf  |  IP: Logged Chris Trainor Expert Film Handler Posts: 161 From: Greenville, RI, USA Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-04-2003 02:58 PM                        Too bad more mainstream films won't do stuff in 70mm... something like the Matrix or other 'high effects' films would do great in 70. Even better if it was 70 at 30fps. Anyway, it's always nice to hear of another theater installing 70, even if most of what they will show in 70 is just a blow-up from 35. --Chris  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 11-04-2003 03:06 PM                        quote: Too bad more mainstream films won't do stuff in 70mm... something like the Matrix or other 'high effects' films would do great in 70. "Matrix Revolutions" is being released day-in-date with dozens of 70mm IMAX prints this week: http://www.bigmoviezone.com/filmsearch/movies/coming_soon.html?uniq=371  |  IP: Logged Pete Naples Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1565 From: Dunfermline, Scotland Registered: Feb 2001 posted 11-04-2003 04:39 PM                     I believe the plan in this venue is to show 35mm adverts, 35mm features as part of themed events, and the 70mm stuff will be used as much as possible for the 70mm classics, Spartacus etc, again as part of themed events, usually with dinner, they've been researching what prints are available and there appears to be a fair whack. They are looking to run this thing 2-3 nights a week, as currently they are closed after 6pm. I thin kit could work very well for them if they do go down the event route they are planning. Can't take all the credit for this job, I had a colleague with me for the alignments and we had a couple of extremely helpful electricians on hand.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 11-04-2003 06:56 PM                     Hopefully the 35mm and 15/70 day and date release model offered by "Matrix Revolutions" might become a thing to be copied by other event film releases in the future. But 70mm blowups should not be restricted to the 15/70 type on very expensive IMAX installations. I would like to see this kind of thing extended to 8/70 and traditional 5/70 houses as well. Still, the thing that really needs to happen for 70mm to regain substantial popularity is getting the format to be used again as an origination process for traditional movie production. 35/70 blowups are nice in that you'll get an appropriately bright image on a giant screen (unlike 35mm) and noticeably better image quality than seen on standard 35mm release prints. But those blowup prints simply pale in comparison to the sharp definition and richer color of true 65mm/70mm. Maybe one way to sell 65mm/70mm as an origination process is to tell the Hollywood folks, "your transfers to digital projection will look better". Most professional still photographers still insist on using analog large format films for shooting subject matter, and then have the elements drum-scanned at high resolutions for their final compositional work. I see no reason why motion picture production cannot copy the same process.  |  IP: Logged Chris Trainor Expert Film Handler Posts: 161 From: Greenville, RI, USA Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-05-2003 11:52 AM                        John, I know IMAX is somewhat popular these days, but there are so few of those theaters around. Many regular theaters have 35/70 machines only ever running in 35. Would be nice for more mainstream films to be in the 5perf/70mm format that many more theaters could run. Granted, most of those places don't have sound for their 70mm sides anymore but if it was a 'hip thing to do' they'd be tossing in DTS 70mm penthouses on those old boxes quickly. --Chris  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 11-05-2003 12:01 PM                        I think almost all of us agree there is still a place for 5-perf 70mm to fill large theatre screens: http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/newsletters/pytlak/dec98.shtml http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/newsletters/pytlak/march99.shtml http://www.in70mm.com/ http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/widescreen/lobby.htm  |  IP: Logged David Stambaugh Film God Posts: 4021 From: Eugene, Oregon Registered: Jan 2002 posted 11-05-2003 01:05 PM                        Does Spielberg still have business connection with DTS? Wouldn't it be great if he said "We'll sell 70mm DTS readers for [some really low cost] as an incentive to get theatres to upgrade" and also commit to 70mm blowup releases of his future movies. I know, not likely to happen, but that's what it might take to jump start a 5-perf 70mm rennaissance... Or how about a free 70mm reader with each new XD10 processor they sell.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 11-05-2003 03:33 PM                     First you have to get Steven Spielberg to shoot something in 65mm to have 70mm prints made. With his recent films, from "Saving Private Ryan" to "Minority Report", he seems to be in love with the color drained and grainy film look. He would need to do a complete 180 degree turn in style to use 70mm.  |  IP: Logged Pete Naples Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1565 From: Dunfermline, Scotland Registered: Feb 2001 posted 11-05-2003 06:03 PM                     The cost of a 70mm DTS reader has been an issue for exhibitors here, especially given the low use it would get. Recently I tured and failed to find a pair for hire here in the UK for a customer. Result, they cancelled that screening  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 11-05-2003 06:44 PM                     I assume the price for a DTS 70 reader is still around the $1300 range. That may not seem like a great deal of money, but I can see how it would make a dent in the profits made from doing a single show in 70mm DTS. Perhaps someone should offer the readers for rent.  |  IP: Logged Ron Lacheur Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 650 From: British Columbia, Canada Registered: Feb 2002 posted 11-05-2003 07:19 PM                     I'd love to see 70mm resurrected here in BC. Does anyone know if VFS has any 70mm titles in there depots?  |  IP: Logged

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