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Author Topic: framing: which way is up? Carl Martin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1424 From: Oakland, CA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 11-06-2003 03:01 AM                        when i say i'm framing up, what i mean is that i'm moving the image onscreen up relative to the frame. do i have this wackbards? carl  |  IP: Logged Mike Olpin Chop Chop! Posts: 1852 From: Dallas, TX Registered: Jan 2002 posted 11-06-2003 04:04 AM                     When i use the term frame up, I mean turning the knob down to make the image higher in the frame. But now that you mention it, I don't know if thats right.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 11-06-2003 06:00 AM                        Framing "up" or "down" usually refers to the direction the frame moves on screen. Of course, in the projector gate, it's in the opposite direction, since the lens changes orientation.  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 11-06-2003 10:50 AM                    I just try to remember that on my X-L's (okay...Simplex 35's but they're still X-L's to me) the backside of the framing knob, if rotated, moves in the direction as the image will on the screen. I would call moving the image up on the screen (reducing headroom) "framing up" and vice versa.  |  IP: Logged Edward Jurich Master Film Handler Posts: 305 From: Las Vegas USA Registered: Jul 2003 posted 11-06-2003 11:11 AM                     Then there are those bad moments when you frame up (or down) and run out of movement just before the frame line goes off screen and you have to go all the way the other direction.  |  IP: Logged Darryl Spicer Film God Posts: 3250 From: Lexington, KY, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 11-06-2003 02:44 PM                    The solution to that is to center the framing mechanism so the it is in the center travel position. Basically two sprocket holes one way or the other. Of course you could do like Brad says, (he will probably be posting this in this thread, Just lock down the framing knob so it won't turn and thread in frame.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 11-06-2003 03:34 PM                        quote: Of course you could do like Brad says, (he will probably be posting this in this thread, Just lock down the framing knob so it won't turn and thread in frame. And SPLICE in frame, of course. Film Done Right!  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-06-2003 04:52 PM                     As to which direction makes the fram go up... On my Simplex: Turning the framing knob CLOCKWISE rotates the intermittent the same direction, thus pulling the film farther down in the gate. This would cause the image on the screen to appear to rise. Turning the knob in the opposite direction would naturally have the opposite effect. On the off-operator's side knob, since you would be facing in the opposite direction you would have to turn the knob COUNTER-CLOCKWISE to raise the image. On my Century: Turning the framing knob CLOCKWISE racks the intermittent downward. The film is pulled farther into the gate. The image appears to rise on the screen. In summary, turning the knob so that the BACK SECTION of the knob goes upward will make the image appear to move upward on the screen. Locking the framing knob is all well and good if you don't have to fudge playback of different aspect ratios. My situation is different on several counts. Right now, I only have 1.85 and 2.39 lens/aperture sets. If I get a 1.75 or 1.66 print I will have to play it through my 1.85 lens. I may have to frame it up or down to make the subtitles fit on the screen. Furthermore, there are a few prints which, not only come in funky aspect ratios (defined as those I don't have lens sets for) but also have frame registration (printing) differences which require framing adjustments at reel changes. Locking the framing knob would totally screw my presentation in these situations! When I get the new lenses for my Simplex I hope to rectify this problem. I still won't lock the knob, though. First, I'm not the only one running the machine anymore and the other people still make mistakes, though they try hard to do it right. It wouldn't be fair to them. Second, I'm not willing to interrupt a show full of paying customers just to make an adjustment that COULD have been done in mere seconds had the framing knob been functional. My solution is simply not to teach people to use the framing knob. My situation is somewhat different than most. There are as many as 3 or 4 projectionist trainees on duty with me at every show. If one of my students makes a stupid framing mistake there will be at least 2 other people standing there making fun of him! (Peer pressure is a good motivator! ) Most of our customers are regulars. They are used to seeing good presentations. If there are mistakes like that, a fairly large percentage of them WILL notice! A large percentage of THOSE people would come and complain. If fact, last term that very situation came up! The film went out of frame for some reason. I don't know exactly why. I wasn't in the room at the time. A customer came out and complained. The incident got written up in the student newspaper. My boss came into my office and plunked the paper down on my desk, asking me, "What the hell is going on here!?" (It's bad ehough when the boss calls you into HIS office! It's even worse when the boss seeks you out in YOUR office!) I had to write that student up and threaten him with being kicked off the projection staff if he did that again. I gave him an "escape clause", though. I told him that IF he could get through the rest of the term with ZERO mistakes I would tear up the papers. He did. I kept my promise. So, you can see why I refuse to lock the framink knob.  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 11-06-2003 05:10 PM                  quote: Of course you could do like Brad says, (he will probably be posting this in this thread, Just lock down the framing knob so it won't turn and thread in frame. Oh Puhleezze! Brad doesn't know what he's talking about. There is NO guarantee that Kodak will punch the perfs in the raw print stock in the right place relative to the frame lines. As mentioned, ALWAYS center the framing range and rack the projector to just after the pull-down before threading. Then thread top to bottom, dragging as much of the print on the floor before winding up the take-up reel/platter to make sure the next theatre will not have a quality print. That way, all the business will come to your theatre. >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-06-2003 05:36 PM                     Phil you also forgot that on your 1570 run it always with the air off (save energy) and to always if possible bypass a roller and drag the print a cross a sharp non moving object As for framing move the seats in the auditorium vertically to correct the problem  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 11-06-2003 07:03 PM                  Of course Gordie...that goes without saying. Every Imax person knows that...right Adam? >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged Adam Martin I'm not even gonna point out the irony. Posts: 3686 From: Dallas, TX Registered: Nov 2000 posted 11-06-2003 07:23 PM                     Actually, since 1570 runs horizontally, we just tell the audience to shift a seat to the left or right. quote: There is NO guarantee that Kodak will punch the perfs in the raw print stock in the right place relative to the frame lines. Framelines have nothing to do with film stock. This would only be affected by film alignment in the camera or film printer before it goes to the lab for release prints (contact prints).  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 11-06-2003 07:29 PM                        And all this time I thought you were just supposed to adjust the masking. Way to go Adam, you just had to post truthful information. I wish LaVezzi would put the teeth on the sprockets in the right place so that I didn't always have to set the intermittent before threading.  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 11-06-2003 07:29 PM                  Ummm Adam...it was a joke... Duh! You sure are dense sometimes... Daryl, I think they should lose the teeth and use pinch rollers. (Ummm Adam, that was a joke too...) >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 11-06-2003 07:38 PM                        Hey, if it works for sound heads why not.  |  IP: Logged

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