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Author Topic: Best moving print method? Scott Manley Film Handler Posts: 59 From: Austin, TX USA Registered: May 2001 posted 12-31-2003 09:00 AM                     What are the suggestions for the best way to move prints around. Especially larger prints.Any suggestions besides the clamps would be helpful.  |  IP: Logged William T. Parr Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 823 From: Cedar Park, TX Registered: Nov 2000 posted 12-31-2003 09:16 AM                     Hey Scott, When I was working for UA in Corpus we had a large sheet of 3/4 Plywood that had a U shaped opening cut out with beveled edges on the legs of the U. it also had a set of holes drilled around it to facilitate a way to fasten the print to the board. If your intrested in what it looks like I brought the one from Cine 6 up to the Howard in Taylor. I can let you see what it looks like.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 12-31-2003 09:39 AM                        Best method I've seen is a "doughnut" shaped board or large reel flange that is put on the platter you are taking up onto, then winding the print onto it. Two people can then lift the board/flange and print, and move it to another platter. Here's a link to the Goldberg Platter Reel: http://www.film-tech.com/reviews/review15.html http://www.rsem.com/equipment-details.asp?partnum=5810001 Methods that require slipping clamps or a u-shaped "cookie sheet" under the already wound print do risk some edge damage. Moving a print without support risks a pile of film spaghetti on the floor.  |  IP: Logged Michael Barry Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 584 From: Sydney, NSW, Australia Registered: Nov 1999 posted 12-31-2003 10:05 AM                     One of the many things I love about Kinoton platters is that the take-up is so good that you can safely move a print simply by picking it up as is. Their make-up table is particularly impressive; whether you are winding a print onto the platter or from the platter back onto reels, both the supply and take-up are simultaneously controlled. You can wind a print onto the platter, then simply pick it up and take it somewhere else! Perfect. All other platter systems I've used require some kind of support to move a print, such as an envelope.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 12-31-2003 10:19 AM                        Michael Barry wrote: quote: One of the many things I love about Kinoton platters is that the take-up is so good that you can safely move a print simply by picking it up as is. That may be well and good, but you still risk "spilling" the print. The frictional characteristics may be such that even a tightly wound roll could slip apart. (e.g., if the print had been over lubricated).  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 12-31-2003 11:05 AM                     We move prints on AW3 platters all the time without clamps. This assumes the platter is of recent (last 20 years) vintage or has the takeup arm spring modification done to it. Also the new locking center rings greatly help. The real trick though is in how it is handled. Do it wrong and you may experience the spaghetti John mentioned above.  |  IP: Logged Bruce Hansen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 847 From: Stone Mountain, GA, USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 12-31-2003 11:54 AM                     This being New Years eve, place several bottle rockets under the print, aim them in the right direction, and light them all at the same time. By the way, don't use the ones that explode at the end of their flight. Good luck, and Happy New Year.  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 12-31-2003 11:59 AM                     Although I can move a print by myself I believe that the "best method" is to use 2 people and the 'pizza board.' In the case of a loose rewind (and no pizza board) I have been known to lift the whole platter disc and carry the print on that.  |  IP: Logged Gary Crawford Expert Film Handler Posts: 200 From: Neptune NJ USA Registered: Nov 2003 posted 12-31-2003 12:44 PM                     I've seen the donut board used, made from 1/8" Masonite, smooth shiny side up. One guy took an old shopping cart and built adjustable legs on a platform attached to it so he can easily slide the print-and-donut from any level platter onto the cart and off he goes. The adjustable-height cart comes in really handy when you get a surprise move and the print is on the "wrong" platter level. In another move subject, I once had to pick up a print from a nearby 10-plex and I took my 6000' reels over and rewound his show onto my reels and "bicycled" them home. Nice and handy too, all I had to do was add my trailers when I got back to my theatre! (Thanks Mark, it worked great!)  |  IP: Logged Scott Manley Film Handler Posts: 59 From: Austin, TX USA Registered: May 2001 posted 12-31-2003 02:52 PM                     Thanks William.......We had a similar board at one of the Presidio theaters back in the 80's.I had forgotten about it. Happy New Year!!!!  |  IP: Logged Stephen Jones Master Film Handler Posts: 314 From: Geelong Victoria Australia Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-31-2003 06:19 PM                     I agree Michael as I also have Kinoton platters and also impressed with the way they handle film and very happy with the Kinoton make up tables,But I agree with John even though the film is wound tight the risk of it collapsing is there,It pays to use a doughnut to move prints if no trolley is available.In our case we are lucky that we have adjustable trolley to move our prints around which makes the task so much easier especially the heavy prints like L.O.T.R. I understand that due to the lay out of some bio's it isnt practicle to use a trolley if you have separate Bio boxs in different parts of the complex. One person carrying prints around could also be a O.H&S issue which impacts the way we do things now. Steve  |  IP: Logged Michael Barry Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 584 From: Sydney, NSW, Australia Registered: Nov 1999 posted 12-31-2003 07:10 PM                     I should have mentioned previously that one must exercise caution when moving any print. Some film stock simply won't take up well, no matter what system is used, and these prints must be moved in a sleeve (or other safe method). The same applies to prints that have just had their first application of FilmGuard - these prints may not necessarily be safe to pick up either. Any movie which is 2 1/2 hours (or longer) starts to get too heavy to move on one's own anyway, so I agree that those prints are best moved using more kosher methods. So, yes...one must evaluate each print carefully before proceeding. Stephen, I'm glad you appreciate those make-up tables. A sensational design!  |  IP: Logged Chris Hipp Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1462 From: Mesquite, Tx (east of Dallas) Registered: Jul 2003 posted 12-31-2003 09:52 PM                     The best way would probably be to use the Goldberg Platter reel or jsut move the entire platter deck, but those methods are not always practical. I just use a board and slide the print off the platter onto it. What I wuld like is a cart that has telescopic legs so that it can be raised or lowered to each deck.  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-31-2003 10:07 PM                     Often moving the platter deck will cause a major platter timing issue The best method still is clamps piece of masonite for it to lie on platter reel  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 12-31-2003 10:09 PM                     quote: Often moving the platter deck will cause a major platter timing issue Only on crappy platters that have no business even calling themselves platters. Any half-assed decent model won't be affected.  |  IP: Logged

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