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Author Topic: Strange theory about Cap Code Miguel Angel Martorell Film Handler Posts: 81 From: Valencia, Spain Registered: Jan 2002 posted 03-14-2004 08:07 PM                     In a spanish forum I´ve read that the real use of the Cap code is for televsion. This man (he´s a college teacher) says that these noisy dots on the screen are some kind of signal for inserting the commercials in an automatic way. Sorry for my poor english but these man uses a lot of technichal words and maybe you should go to the text if you understand spanish. Here is the link cinesonido Un saludo and no more wars, no more terrorism and no more victims.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 03-14-2004 08:13 PM                        Ummm. No. Are you sure this guy even knows what CAP code is?  |  IP: Logged Darryl Spicer Film God Posts: 3250 From: Lexington, KY, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 03-14-2004 08:26 PM                    that signal is mixed in the sound not the picture. If you have ever watched a sat transmision that did not mask the sound you can hear these loud tones come across the sound. They are actually there to tell the local stations or cable company equipment to activate local advertisments for broadcast. quote: these man uses a lot of technichal words Just because you can use a lot of technical words does not mean you know what your talking about.  |  IP: Logged Jack Ondracek Film God Posts: 2348 From: Port Orchard, WA, USA Registered: Oct 2002 posted 03-14-2004 09:15 PM                        Hmmmm... I thought they'd stopped using audio cues for the most part... except maybe on some of the sports or shopping channels. Good point though. I figured they'd gone to some kind of cue scheme up in the blanking lines somewhere.  |  IP: Logged Richard Fowler Film God Posts: 2392 From: Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA Registered: Jun 2001 posted 03-14-2004 09:18 PM                     Miguel, Damodar is off the mark regarding confusing the CAP code for TV address signals which are usually used for logging purposes to prove transmission....these are usually out of the picture area or in an area of the image not noticeable to the average viewer.  |  IP: Logged Joshua Tefay Film Handler Posts: 10 From: Sydney, NSW, Australia Registered: May 2003 posted 03-14-2004 10:14 PM                     I always wondered how TV stations cued advertisements! Does anyone have any links on this subject?  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 03-14-2004 10:25 PM                     My understanding is that it's a lot more seat-of-the-pants than you might think, at least for live network television. Affiliates are told in advance after which national commercials their local commercial time will fit in, and the controller (a human) has to watch for the end of that commercial and start the local commercial programming. For taped events, though, the networks give the affiliates schedules of commercials and programming down to the second. --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 03-15-2004 12:47 AM                        Lots of technical words? Like what, codec? Well at least we now know that CAP was developed in Paris and that 35mm film takes advantage of the enormous quality of native DV. quote: Cap´s Codec (ó Codecs de Captura) fue un “invento” desarrollado en Paris ... a formato 35 m/m para pantalla grande (aprovechando la enorme calidad del DV nativo)  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 03-15-2004 07:10 AM                        College professors....now there's a reliable source of technical information. Me to a film professor and his students while they were touring the projection booth. "This is an anamorphic lens." Professor: "What's an anamorphic lens?" In a film class on Fellini, after showing us a pan-&-scan 16mm print of LA DULCE VITA, the professor went on for about ten minutes explaining to us how Fellini, master of symbolism, had imbued the film with subtle statements about how dispensable people and relationships are by composing many of the shots so as to have the characters cut off by the film frame, literally severing them with his camera. He said Fellini used the film frame to "make a key statement about life." Yeah, more like the P&S transfer operator was making a statement about what he could fit into the 16mm 1.33 frame down from a 2.35 scope image. Rather than embarrass this guy in front of the entire class, I quietly went up to him after class and point out the error of his theory, that this symbolism was not the famed director's doing, but a simple result of a very poor conversion system from the original scope to a frame of a totally different aspect ratio, half the original width. And what's more, showing this bastardized version instead of the original was a great disservice to the class. By our conversation I realized he had never even seen this great film in a theatre or on 35 mm film and because I was "just a technician" he wasn't buying my explanation for why characters were cut off by the 16 mm frame. By his dismissive attitude, I realize I was talking to a horse's ass. The jerk indicated that he was going to continue to preach his erronious therory (which very contradictory to how lovingly Fellini treats all his flawed characters). I felt I needed to take this thing in hand and let my fellow film students know the falacy of his theory. For the next two class day's I raised my hand trying to be recognized so I could debate him in front of the class, but the spinless weazel refused to call on me. So att he next class I simply came in before he arrived and explained to the other students what pan & scan was and the real reason characters were sliced by the edge of the film frame. Stupidity is many times rewarded with tenure and the letters PhD.  |  IP: Logged Bruce Hansen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 847 From: Stone Mountain, GA, USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 03-15-2004 08:01 AM                     Some cable "networks" used the cue tones, and now the vertical interval data, to allow the local cable system to do automatic commercial insertion.  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 03-15-2004 12:16 PM                     There's an old joke -- told to me by a PhD. -- that says the letters stand for "permanent head damage."  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-15-2004 01:57 PM                     No, no-no no-no, no! B.S. = Bull Shit. M.S. = More Shit. PhD. = Piled Higher and Deeper!  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 03-15-2004 04:03 PM                     In broadcast television you are given a slate of when the commercial breaks happen. There's no tones involved (at least there wasn't at the TV station where I worked). You just have to be prepared to hit the break on time. That even means cutting off some newscaster rambling on and on about some bullcrap no one cares about. The general manager of the TV station told me, before my first time in the hot seat of the director's chair, "you can screw up in all kinds of ways, go to black, mistime sound bites in news package tapes or whatever...just don't deviate a spot." One would think items like tones would be used for cable companies, but they all use automated machines to play back commercials. It's funny as hell (but not at the time) if the big computerized tape jukebox breaks down and everyone in the engineering room is running around like chickens with their heads cut off looking for racks and carts! Deviate a spot and you'll have to air a make good free of charge. That costs you dearly pretty quick.  |  IP: Logged Chris Trainor Expert Film Handler Posts: 161 From: Greenville, RI, USA Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-15-2004 04:07 PM                        There are a couple of different ways of handling que tones for automatic commercial insertion. Usually they are sub-audiable. Also, sometimes things are inserted into the VBI, and you can sometimes see that as a mess of stuff on the extreme top of the screen if your TV has some issues or the broadcaster is letting it thru for some reason.. tho generally things like closed captioning and teletext are kept in the VBI. --Chris  |  IP: Logged John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 03-15-2004 04:48 PM                     Frank said: >>Stupidity is many times rewarded with tenure and the letters PhD. << Love it.  |  IP: Logged

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