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Author Topic: How to thread leader, which way is correct? Richard Greco Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1180 From: Plant City, FL Registered: Nov 2003 posted 04-15-2005 12:14 AM                     Just wanted to know if this is common practice. I thread from my payout platter, through the rollers bypassing the projector, and to the take up platter. Then I pull some slack on the film and thread my machine. My tech today, threaded by pulling from the payout platter, going to the machine, and running about 10 feet of leader on the floor. He then threaded up and ran the small pile of film through the rollers, and to the take-up platter. He says both ways are suitable. I fell, aside from the dirt on the floor going to the film, that it is much messier and only adds time to the thred considering that you have to straighten out the leader on the floor before you put it on the take-up. Also, while you are reading this... Is it normal practice to put the leader attatched on Reel 1 included in your build? My tech says that if we put clear leader, then the head of 1, then the movie, that if we thread and get the number 3 on the leader in the framing square, then the film will be in frame when the show starts. What do you think? I don't mind doing it, but I'll have to change my ways a bit.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 04-15-2005 12:43 AM                     Hmmm, how to put this??? Oh, I know. Your tech is a freakin' idiot!!! From this point on, listen to nothing he tells you. Seriously, the guy's a moron. Tell your boss to find someone else to service your theater while you're at it. In the meantime, go to the tips section.  |  IP: Logged Richard Greco Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1180 From: Plant City, FL Registered: Nov 2003 posted 04-15-2005 01:11 AM                     Ok, but how about keeping the leader from Reel 1 on the head? I don't really see any disadvantage in that.  |  IP: Logged Mike Spaeth Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1129 From: Marietta, GA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 04-15-2005 01:23 AM                        Unless you're not playing trailers, the idea is absolutely retarded. What do you do, detach the H1 leader and reattach it before the trailers??  |  IP: Logged Richard Greco Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1180 From: Plant City, FL Registered: Nov 2003 posted 04-15-2005 01:28 AM                     No trailers here  |  IP: Logged Mike Spaeth Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1129 From: Marietta, GA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 04-15-2005 01:31 AM                        Do you play the attached trailer?  |  IP: Logged Richard Greco Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1180 From: Plant City, FL Registered: Nov 2003 posted 04-15-2005 01:35 AM                     Yes, anything attatched, we play. So there isn't anything wrong with that IMO  |  IP: Logged Jason Whitlock Film Handler Posts: 28 From: Raleigh, NC, USA Registered: Mar 2005 posted 04-15-2005 01:36 AM                     putting the 3 in the gate?? wouldn't that leave 3 seconds of film before the picture start.. thus scratching the crap out of the beginning of the film while the flywheels are getting up to speed.. i've seen it happen before.. the first ads on prints, even greenbands on trailers on prints without preshow ads.. maybe put the 10 frame or the first frame line on the leader in the gate, but definitely not the 3.  |  IP: Logged Richard Greco Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1180 From: Plant City, FL Registered: Nov 2003 posted 04-15-2005 01:42 AM                     He said either the 5 or the 3 would be fine  |  IP: Logged Cam Jones Film Handler Posts: 35 From: Calgary, AB, Canada Registered: Sep 2004 posted 04-15-2005 01:51 AM                     I really hate when people let the leader touch the floor! It gets dirt in the projector an ruins the presentation!  |  IP: Logged Stephen Furley Film God Posts: 3059 From: Coulsdon, Croydon, England Registered: May 2002 posted 04-15-2005 01:58 AM                     quote: Jason Whitlock putting the 3 in the gate?? wouldn't that leave 3 seconds of film before the picture start. Three seconds for smpte leader, two seconds for Academy. quote: Richard Greco He said either the 5 or the 3 would be fine If he thinks the 3 or the 5 are ok, why not the 4, or the 9, or any other frame you care to think of. I agree with you that the 3 is too late, the only time I would do that would be to do a changeover from a reel with a lot of film missing from the tail, but it would be very unusual for that much to be missing, I think I've only seen it about once. Since you say you are running a platter, even this wouldn't apply in this case.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 04-15-2005 03:08 AM                     quote: I really hate when people let the leader touch the floor! It gets dirt in the projector an ruins the presentation! ..especially at a Drive-In! Do you have platter covers at your drive-in? I would recommend it highly. Also Richard, being at a drive-in, I would recommend knowing how to lace your machines in reverse-lacing from the bottom up. That way, leads will never touch the floor. It takes time to get the co-ordination all together since one is so used to lacing from the top down, but once you get the hang of it, it isn't that bad and one can almost be as fast lacing in reverse as it is forward. When you lace from platter to machine back to platter, have the platter loaded, then lace the machine. Yes, I've seen sloppy "indies" who pile the leads on the floor, then thread the projector, then finally finish up lacing up the platters. And the floor is so frikken dirty and oily, that when I used to get prints from this place, the reels went through the Kelmar pad soaked in FG BEFORE I mounted them on the platter. I managed to make a platform of such where I could mount the Kelmar between the reel spindles on a Kelmar bench and clean the prints that way. Yep, what a -MORON and a HALF- so-called "tech" to tell you this. He should be shot and fed to the FLA crocs. good luck-Monte  |  IP: Logged Dave Macaulay Film God Posts: 2321 From: Toronto, Canada Registered: Apr 2001 posted 04-15-2005 09:36 AM                     I wonder why you would remove the R1 leader, but it doen't much matter if you have threading leaders with frame lines. I would splice the framing leader to the R1 leader (in frame!) then thread the projector on the threading leader (without dumping the film on the floor!), then run down to 6 on the R1 leader, check framing, and the system would be ready to start. From experience I don't trust the countdown on threading leaders as I've found rather a lot of them where someone has damaged and removed a lot of film at the splice end... the countdown is then meaningless.  |  IP: Logged Matthew Peters Expert Film Handler Posts: 179 From: Glen Waverley, Melbourne, Australia Registered: Nov 2002 posted 04-15-2005 09:53 AM                     I recently observed a projectionist threading up at another cinema, I was pretty impressed. He had the whole thing done in less than 30 seconds. He threaded up the platter first, but did not go over to the projector, just payout then straight to take-up (all done very fast). He then swiftly pulled some film over to the projector and threaded it real fast. That was it. Oh he did power up the lamp and run the motor for 5 seconds…. I guess to see if it was in frame? How common is this practice? I must say though this has got to be the newest, cleanest, and most glamorous booth I’ve ever seen, I’d have taken pictures but the projectionist and manager there seemed a little suspicious of me.  |  IP: Logged Tim Reed Better Projection Pays Posts: 5246 From: Northampton, PA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 04-15-2005 10:09 AM                       quote: Richard Greco He said either the 5 or the 3 would be fine Do you have an automation that doesn't delay 7 seconds before opening the douser or something? Otherwise, this sounds like someone who has never even been a projectionist before.  |  IP: Logged

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