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Matthew Taylor
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 - posted 09-05-2005 05:12 PM      Profile for Matthew Taylor   Email Matthew Taylor   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have recently bought a CP-50 but it got damaged during transit from the US. Both meters on the CAT 109 got smashed. The seller is sorting out a replacement card but in the mean time, is there a way of roughly setting up the preamps by perhaps using a multimeter or something like that just until the card arrives?

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Steve Guttag
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 - posted 09-05-2005 05:41 PM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Snappy answer: Yes

More complete answer:

Connect your meter (preferably an accurate one that reads true RMS) to the test points on the optical preamp (Cat. 108). Red is Left and Green is right...the ground terminal is still on the Cat. 109 though I think they added on for the Cat 108C...can't remember.

Anyway, thread up and run some Cat 69T (Dolby tone) and meaure the tone at the test points, set both to exactly 300mV.

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Matthew Taylor
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 - posted 09-06-2005 12:10 PM      Profile for Matthew Taylor   Email Matthew Taylor   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks Steve.

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Matthew Taylor
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 - posted 09-07-2005 10:50 AM      Profile for Matthew Taylor   Email Matthew Taylor   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I did what you said but the minimum voltage I get with the meter set on AC is 1.6v - several times too much I think. To be fair, I couldn't find a grounding point on the cat109 so I grounded the other lead on first the case and then the metalwork of the cat64's. There are 2 meter points on the cat109 - a black and white - should I be using the black?

My 6v cinemacannica exciter lamp is running at 6v. Should I turn this down?

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Sam D. Chavez
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 - posted 09-07-2005 10:54 AM      Profile for Sam D. Chavez   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I would bet you still have voltage wthout the projector running as in no ground when you are trying to measure Dolby level.

The black wire test point is the ground. I hope you are not paying too much for a replacement Cat. 109.

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Marin Zorica
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 - posted 12-18-2005 01:33 PM      Profile for Marin Zorica   Email Marin Zorica   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hmmm one time i got same problem.

With what kind of meter you set 300mV??

Did you use regular multimeter, digital or analog?

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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 - posted 12-18-2005 08:14 PM      Profile for Mark Gulbrandsen   Email Mark Gulbrandsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Marin,

Use a true RMS meter for doing this and any other meter read settings. There are many available but they do cost a bit more.

Mark

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Marin Zorica
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 - posted 12-19-2005 02:40 AM      Profile for Marin Zorica   Email Marin Zorica   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
How i can know is it thrue RMS?

If i do this with osciloscope what level that would be?

Or can we measure with normal multimeter?

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Gordon McLeod
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With a scope (assuming the signal is a sine wave) then measure the peak voltage and the rms is the sine of 45 degrees of it

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