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Topic: Neumade Rewind Bench Spindels
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Thomas Dieter
Expert Film Handler
Posts: 234
From: Yakima, WA
Registered: Jun 2004
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posted 02-06-2006 05:35 PM
quote: Dan Lyons
What do you mean "2k spindles"???? This table can take 6000' reels, like most other tables.
I'm refering to a spindle that will rotate a 2000' reel for trailer breakdown/build up and the occasional print breakdown form 6000' reels.
It's not the problem of making the reels on to the 6000' reels, rather it's the problem of not having the ability to break down trailers from reels to a core properly, of break a movie down from 6000' reels when we are low on rings and platters to place out going prints. We have a 2000' reel spindle with a pin on it to rotate the reel, but it's not in the right position, and it fixed to the spindele. It isn't adjustable.
Honestly, I think that the rewind bench is a peice of ![[bs]](graemlins/bs.gif) , but being 2nd run, buying a brand new rewind bench would not be something that the company would do. From use of building and breaking down trailers with out a proper spindle, we need to replace the trailer flange, but I don't want to replace it until I get a spindle that will properly rotate the flange.
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Sean R. Custer
Film Handler
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From: San Francisco, CA, USA
Registered: Dec 2005
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posted 02-06-2006 09:08 PM
The reel shafts and spindles are identical, or with negligable differences from decades ago to the present day... newer ones are adustable, and will fit the bench but not the MUT too (for 35mm anyway.) I've had that small tab break off before also, and the replacement is the shaft and tab whole. But the factory wedges a piece of metal in the hole that looks like it's a set screw, and you won't be able to replace it w/o a drill and a new metal wedge, and by smacking it in tight. We didn't have the time to do it that way or the means to do it better, so we ended up bying a new spindle complete, for $$$.
If you have the resources, drill it the hole larger, tap the hole and make your own set screw. Buy lots of shafts.
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Monte L Fullmer
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From: Nampa, Idaho, USA
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted 02-06-2006 11:38 PM
He's talking about 5/16" spindles along with the 1/2" spindles for this Neumade table. It's not the best table, but take care of this certain table, it will do the task needed.
This are how you order the spindles is by the shaft diameter size and style - be it with the side "dog pin", or with key.
There should be some info here on this table.
5k (22inch) and 6k (24inch) reels are available for either size of spindle - slip hub or solid hub.
Dumb question Dan: how are you busting spindles off of the main boss, especially busting two of them in a year? Never seen anyone do this, nor I have never had any problems with with these PRT Neumade spindles-just knew how to operate the system correctly.
One can order the keys separately to reinstall in the holes on the shaft. Also, the shafts themselves are on separate order as well.
Trick is to take a drill with a 1/4" bit and slightly drill into the opposite end of the shaft to make a tapered opening. Then, take the key and use a bench vise and press the key back into the hole on the shaft (if the hole has been wobbled out, then take the key and lightly hammer the pin part to make the pin part larger than the wobbled out hole). Then flare the pin part of the key with a punch and ball-pein hammer so the key doesn't come back out, then file the remaining metal of the hammered key pin to flush with the shaft. One can also fill in the remaining hole with epoxy to really secure the key.
Unfortunately, the keys are made from die cut sheet metal-not forged by any means. But being made of soft wire steel, it's easy to work with. Too bad Neumade didn't use forged steel key ways and collars that they used on their hand crank benchtop models.
-Monte
[ 02-07-2006, 03:45 AM: Message edited by: Monte L Fullmer ]
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Monte L Fullmer
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From: Nampa, Idaho, USA
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted 02-07-2006 03:25 PM
..course, the big design flaw with those assemblies is that most of the actual metal has been drilled away for the spring pin that secures the shaft in the boss member leaving very little of the actual metal itself to support any sort of weight and RPM speed - big time weak spot there by itself.
Another thing with the table itself, is that I took off that dumb wire shutdown switch on the right end of the table and bypassed the switch on the Dayton so the variac control was the only one used and disconnected the hi- speed side .
I learned that one the hard way when I flipped up the wire switch, power was on and the switch was in hi-speed mode. A full 6k reel on the motored spindle without the clip on, motor took off, spun off that reel off the shaft, reel hit the floor, gouged the floor and that reel ran down the booth, hitting the far wall bending the flanges pretty bad, alone putting gouges in the cinder block wall . Luckilly, I was actually to the side of the table and behind when this happened. Otherwise, I would have been hit by that spinning reel.
True, not meaning to pick on Dan and I'm sorry if I came across that way (why I said "dumb question") as well - since I knew that he didn't purposely misused a device, but it just struck me on the odd side of why two units were broken in the one year duration.
Plus, as long as John and I have known these units for gobs of years and where Dan probably hasn't been around the booth as the two of us have been, we just know how to treat these tables and how to work with them from the beginning.
Granted also, Dan hasn't been given the opportunity to have a new Neumade table delivered to him as with John and I have been, thus Dan, more or less, has been stuck with equipment and parts that was worn down in the first place.
Thus, with his breakage and first impression, he didn't like the construction procedure of these Neumade units compared to the construction of the Kelmar units.
When I worked for MANN theatres in the 80's, they grabbed the most cheapest stuff out there for their booths..and the Neumade was tons cheaper than the Kelmar.
-Monte
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I've had 2 break on me in the past year. One spindle broke off mid-wind on the motor end, sending a nearly full reel flying and leaving a huge gash in the linoleum floor. The one pictured below gave out as I was placing a reel on it for rewind; fortunately I felt it give way so the reel didn't fall onto the ground.![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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