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Brad Miller
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Looks like someone at Deluxe forgot all about the SRD track on reel 1 of RV. If the print in front of me is missing it, odds are there are many others out there without it.

Everyone, check your prints. (Do note that just because there are dark squares in between the sprockets, that does not mean it is an SRD track.) Below is a picture of a few frames from my reel 1 without the SRD track.

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John Wilson
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AND they printed it upside down!

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Phil Hill
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This is not a fluke. In order to cut the cost of print film stock, Kodak has stopped coating the emulsion between the sprocket holes.

I'm sure John will comment on this...

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John Pytlak
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Really strange [Eek!] --- the density between the perfs shows the soundhead printing light for the Dolby Digital area was on, so the sound negative must have just been clear in the Dolby Digital area. If so, all prints of that reel are affected.

As Phil well knows, Kodak only leaves the emulsion off between the perfs on the side OPPOSITE the Dolby Digital track. [Wink]

(Actually, film is sensitized as "wide rolls" about 54 inches across, from which 38 35mm strips are slit.)

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David Stambaugh
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D-Cinema would never have this problem because digital is perfect. [beer] [thumbsup]

Wait - A digital soundtrack is missing??!! Error! Error! This can't be happening! [Eek!]

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Markus Lemm
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Thats funny.

I've never seen a print like that before but I remember the prints of 'Crash' that we played had DTS discs but no DTS timecode on the prints. Not sure if it is a Canadian print issue but I personally handled 3 different prints and they all had DTS discs but no timecode.

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Chad M Calpito
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Thanks for the information, Brad [Smile] I'll make sure that my other projectionists know about it as well.

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Frank Angel
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Well, if there was a whole run of these Dolby D-less prints, then chances are it might be a bit of a stretch to think Technicolor can round up a slew of replacement reels overnight. This is a good reason why that SR part of the Dolby SR-D system is tweaked out working to the very best it can be, unless you just want to cancel until you can get a good R1.

No reason why the SR analog shouldn't sound nearly as good as the digital track -- most people won't tell the difference, and besides, by the time they sit through 5 other digital reels playing correctly, they won't even remember that it was only analog for the first 18 minutes. Never be afraid of the analog track. [thumbsup]

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Steve Scott
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quote: Frank Angel
Never be afraid of the analog track
Unless you use Cat. 222 SR/A cards, IMHO.

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John Walsh
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Remember when the distributors would only put a certain digital track on a certain feature? I seem to remember someone put DD on the first few reels of 'Air Force One' before it was realized it wasn't wanted.

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John Pytlak
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So are replacement reels being issued? [Confused]

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Brad Miller
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Got mine Friday afternoon. I wonder if the studio didn't already know this was a problem and had prints on standby.

I'm going to laugh at the theaters with multiple sound formats (screened in dts and then later moved to srd to this wonderful surprise). [Razz]

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Jack Ondracek
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No problem here, other than that they shorted me my DTS disk. Spent a few minutes, listening to the ETS guy in California telling me that it was UPS's fault (??).

I'll call the local depot on monday... glad that screen has Dolby. Otherwise, I'd have had to feed lesser-quality SR into my FM transmitter, then to the consistent quality of my discerning customers' FM radios (Sorry, Frank!) [evil]

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Michael Brown
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Is that scope?

This must be Barry Sonnenfeld's first scope movie.

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Martin Ubilluz
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I think that was just your print. Im Head of projection at my theater and our print was fine and the prints our 6 other theaters got were fine all cyan and digital

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