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Topic: Digital sound follies
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Large
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posted 05-30-1999 03:13 AM
I got this from a friend of mine. I thought you all would like to read it. Martin (1TRIANGLE) May-14 6:31 pm To: ALL #299. 1 of 1 According to Bruce Snyder at Fox," as long as a DTS player is hooked to a processor it does not matter what your sound is like as long as you can say that you have digital." We have been in a week long discussion with Fox over the fact that the indoor theatre in the same town we are in did not have digital and it was said by Lucas Film that which ever theatre in town had digital, got Star Wars.(we were willing to present Star Wars in digital.) When the UA theatre was caught not having digital it was said by Fox that we would get the print.Ua moved a DTS player from one of their other theatres that was not getting Star Wars. It was also said that Star Wars had to show on your biggest house. Thay put the DTS player on the #3 screen with 178 seats. When this was made known to Fox ,UA lied and said that theatre had 292 seats. when we called them on it they moved it to their big house with 340 seats. Their sound system consist of KT 700 Kintec processor,Kintec amps and speakers and 20 year old wiring with a DTS player hooked to the mag inputs. Needless to say with the 2/3 octave eq and the less than adaquate amps and speakers and the DTS player being wired through the mag inputs the sound is very flat and dry (no highs or sub)They are also proud of the rest of their booth as they are running Christie AW2 platter that dumps at least one film a week in the floor, and a Christie CH 20 lamphouse with a 2000w bulb on a screen that's over 34 feet wide (no wonder we always get compliments on how much brighter our picture is at the drive-in). We sent a THX and Dolby certified sound engineer into their theatre the other night to observe their presentation and his report was as follows: They were constantly adjusting the volume up and down(maybe to protect the speakers?) Thay film went out of frame in the middle of the movie and they had to stop the projector to straighten it out.He said if he had paid money to see a film there ,he would ask for his money back and drive 45 miles to Charlotte to another theatre or ask the manager when the drive in would have the picture because he would wait and see it there. He said there was no feeling to the sound what so ever and could not get into the movie because it sounded so bad compaired to other theatres. This theatre advertises that they have Dolby stereo on their web site. they do not ,our sound engineer friend know this and their most up to
date sound system is the Kintec system. He called Dolby himself to inform them of the false advertisement and evedently they are not interested because they are UA with over 2000 screens and they can get away with murder.Also we tried to contact DTS to let them know about the bad advertisement that they are getting and they don't seem to care either. TIME LINE Monday morning: I called Lucas Films and asked if the sound quality and picture presentation would be important. Lucas Films: yes ,we have set standards and expect them to be followed. Fox has total discression over this film and we trust them to do what is right. If you have a problem you need to talk to Tom Sherak at 310-369-3583. I called his office , a couple of hours later I was called back by Bruce Snyder.At first he told me that all drive-ins have horrible presentations,and also that I was not told that no drive-in in the country would not get the film on the first break. He said that UA did have a full digital system and we informed him that they did not.He told us to send someone into the theatre to see what they did have and if they had lied to him, Star Wars would be our picture. TUESDAY: Bruce called back and he said he had a conversation with the head of UA and they assured him that they had replaced all of the wiring and speakers 2 years ago and they had just recently added the DTS player. Tuesday Night The sound engineer we sent went into the theatre(we got away with this because he was friends with thw manager) the manager took him and showed him the new DTS player they had just out in on May 3,99. It was hooked to the wiring and processor that had been there since 1985,and that the DTS player was hooked up on the #3 auditorium.178 seats when it was suppose to be on the big house. Wednesday morning: We called Bruce and told him what the sound engineer found and he wanted to talk to the sound engineer so we gave him a number to contact him. He called us back and said he had talked to the sound engineer and had been in contact with UA and they told him that the sound engineer must have been in the wrong auditorium because it was on the 292 seat house (this auditorium had mono) So they lied again. He also made it known at this point that he was friends with the heads of UA and could not believe that they would risk telling him a lie and jeprodize thier relationship with Fox over one small theatre in a one horse town. Bruce then said that UA had to give him a certified statement from a qualified sound engineer stating that thay had a full digital system throughout their biggest house. UA's in house sound engineer Rick Stien sent a report to Fox stating that the digital system was in place in the largest auditorium and had been for a couple of years now.(another lie that he fell for)Their own manager proved this not to be true. THURSDAY MORNING: I called Bruce and informed him that the DTS was still on the #3 auditorium. He wanted me to send the sound engineer back into the theatre and go see if he was looking at the wrong auditorium.This pissed off the sound engineer at this point because this has been his line of work for years and is THX and Dolby certified.He already knew what he was looking at and did not appreciate this guy telling him he was wrong because UA was trying to cover thier asses. At this point he said hhe was willing to testify in a court of law as to what he had seen. Thursday afternoon: Bruce called back and said he demanded a TAP alignment from UA the terms however would be that Fox would not pay for it . It was agreed to that if UA was found not to be true digital then UA would pay for the TAP alignment and I would get the picture if it was found that UA was digital them I would pay for the TAP alignment and I would not get the picture. This was all well and good until 30 minutes later Bruce called back and said" we are not going to do the TAP alignment UA had assured me that they have moved the DTS to the #1 auditorium and as long as it is a DTS player hooked to a processor I do not care what the sound is like ,as long as they can say they have digital". the moral to the story is: Presentation does not matter as long as you are a major chain or a drive-in that does not have stereo sound. There are two drive-ins in North Carolina that will be getting Star Wars on the break that has mono sound(speakers) Their competition is a brand new Eastern Federal theatre that is fully digital and stadium. So I guess we need to remove all of our stereo equipment and reinstall the field speakers then we can be day and date with the 5 screen UA dump. SOUND DOES NOT MATTER!! Martin
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Brad Miller
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posted 05-30-1999 03:15 AM
WOW! What a load of crap. Here's something interesting...it seems here in Dallas that virtually all of the TAP inspections on the opening couple of days are scheduled at AMC theaters! Anyone know who decides which theaters get scheduled for TAP evaluations (not pre-movie alignment, but actual public performance evaluations.)? As to the UA theater with the Kintek fake digital system, which one is it? I am wondering just how small of a town and run down the place is. But on another note, UA did get more Star Wars playdates than any other theater chain. Wonder how much UAs patronage to THX sound systems had to do with that. But Martin is right, as I've been to THX certified theaters that have absolutely horrid sound. If Lucasfilm wants to keep selling the whole THX package, they better start requiring these older THX theaters get upgrades...like SR and digital! I know of current licensed THX theaters that: doesn't have even one subwoofer, an echo that blurs dialogue, loud hum and/or buzz, a port hole seal that mine as well not even have glass and there was one that didn't even have functioning surrounds! (The surrounds in that theater are working now, but were out for a few months.)
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Martin
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posted 05-30-1999 03:15 AM
THIS THEATRE IS IN NORTH CAROLINA. A TOWN OF 15,000 AND COUNTY WIDE 60,000. THANKS FOR POSTING THIS FOR ME,I TRIED TO MOVE IT TO THIS BOARD AND LOST IT A COUPLE OF HOURS AGO. REMEMBER THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION. BTW:A FRIEND OF MINE THAT OWNS ANOTHER DRIVE-IN WITH FULL STEREO CALLED ME TONIGHT AND SAID THAT THE 4 SCREEN IN THE TOWN WITH HIM IS GETTING SW WITH FULL MONO!!! WE WILL TRY TO CONFIRN THIS AND GIVE MORE UPDATES. IF ANYONE KNOWS ANY LOCATION WHERE MORE OF THIS GARBAGE IS GOING ON, PLEASE POST ON ONE OF THESE BOARDS!! MY FRIEND THAT OWNS THE OTHER DRIVE-IN IS VERY UPSET OVER THIS SITUATION BECAUSE HE WAS ALSO TOLD THAT NO DRIVE-IN WOULD BE GETTING SW ON THE BREAK BUT FOUND OUT ABOUT THE 2 MONO DRIVE0INS THAT ARE GETTING IT IN THE SAME TOWN WITH A BRAND NEW 14 SCREEN DIGITAL THEATRE. LIKE I SAID "SOUND DOES NOT MATTER."
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James
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posted 05-30-1999 03:16 AM
Interesting Brad...A friend of mine who worked for UA in Colorado told me that UA wasn't certifying any more theatres for THX and was de-certifying existing theatres as the renewals come up. This was a couple years ago, so maybe things have changed. Personally, I think THX is a joke...it's marketed as a sound system when all it really is, is a brand and a set of standards. But that's just my opinion.
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Brad Miller
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posted 05-30-1999 03:16 AM
I heard that about UA cancelling future THX construction as well. Can anyone verify that for sure? I'll try and check it out down here as well.
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Brad
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posted 05-30-1999 03:17 AM
My sound man told me some time ago, all you have to do in most case's is pay your THX license fee, and your certified. At one time, some of the chains were certifying themselves.
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Large
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posted 05-30-1999 03:17 AM
Yes; UA is not constructing any THX theatres. They decertified many theatres in markets they think don't need the marketing advantage. UA actually had a crossover made up that replaces the THX crossover in the THX monitor box. They have only left a few theatres THX certified in large markets like LA, SF & NY. UA only has plans to construct two theatres this year. One is a 9 screen in Pennsyvania and one in Texas. UA will not certify these theatres. If the past is any indication they will buy one or two Dolby Digital systems and round out the rest of the auditoriums with the new Sony SDDS 3000 processor. UA just loves that Sony gives a credit for the amount of money spent on SDDS processors. If you purchase a great amount of processors you get a credit to purchase other Sony Audio Video gear for the theare. Therefor Sony gets to place Sony televisions in the theatre lobbys.
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Joe Redifer
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posted 05-30-1999 03:18 AM
UA is not doing anymore THX installs here in Colorado. They are not getting EX surround, either. In my personal opinion, UA puts on a horrible presentation only a notch above what AMC does. The movies is always out of focus, dim, framed wrong. This has been the case with every single UA theatre I have been to in the last year. Even when they got a 70mm print of Titanic, it was less than spectacular! The xenon bulb was flickering really bad and the bulb was also out of focus. I haven't heard about any DE-CERTIFICATIONS, however. But UA is not the only one not doing THX anymore. THX is more of a marketing gimmick, in my opinion.
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Brad Miller
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posted 05-30-1999 03:19 AM
I had heard about that Sony credit, but knew no specifics. It figures! Why buy products that will outperform all others and be reliable when you can buy crap (because of sales gimmicks) that will require CONSTANT attention and parts? Sure you save money up front, but how many other people have spent over a thousand dollars in their first couple of years just keeping up the Christie gearless projectors in parts alone? The leds in SDDS readers cost about $350 each and must be changed out every year (two years if you're really lucky and you push them)! Let's check this out again...DTS costs less, has better sound, NEVER fails and the only servicing it requires is on the extremely rare occasion that a cd-rom drive dies vs. SDDS which costs lots more, has poor sound, fails all the time and requires servicing to bump up the led intensity levels every few months...plus the yearly change out! Now that's smart buying!
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Ky Boyd
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posted 05-30-1999 03:19 AM
Regarding SDDS...according to the folks over on the Motion Pictures Exhibitors Forum (www.delphi.com/exhibitor/start/) the reason the majors (AMC, UA, etc) love SDDS is because Sony gives them a higher per seat allowance to calculate 90/10 at if the auditorium features SDDS. Thus higher per seat allowance = higher house nut = lower 90/10 film rental. Get it? Once again, for the majors this business is not about providing entertainment...its about selling concessions and putting those dollars in the till. It's a sad fact that the only showmanship in exhibition today happens at the independent level.
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Brad
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posted 05-30-1999 03:20 AM
Are ALL mainstream films being released with DTS tracks?
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Brad Miller
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posted 05-30-1999 03:20 AM
Yes. All "mainstream" films are in DTS. There are a few exceptions, Sony, Paramount and Fox don't print their films they expect to bomb in DTS...just SRD. The price, reliability and quality can not be beat by anyone else. I highly recommend the system.
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