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Topic: '2 days in Paris' UK prints.
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Stephen Furley
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From: Coulsdon, Croydon, England
Registered: May 2002
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posted 10-27-2007 01:02 PM
Just a quick warning to anybody who runs this in the UK. The film is 1.85, but the BBFC certificate is printed in scope!
I've just had a mad panic. I'd set it up for 1.85, as the make-up sheet and labels on the leaders said, and when the certificate hit the screen it was scope. Thought I must have got it wrong, so furiously changed the lens and plate, to find that it's still wrong. Check can labels, they say 1.85 as well. At this point stop the show and put the film on the bench to check. By the time I'd wound through to the start of action to be sure, rewound the print, changed the lens , plate and masking back, laced up again and re-started the show it had been off screen for about five minutes. If I'd left it as it was it would have been ok after a few seconds, but I thought I must have got it wrong.
I wish whoever ran this yesterday had left me a note about it.
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Monte L Fullmer
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posted 10-29-2007 12:24 AM
..being here in the States, a lot of circuits, with their booking notices distributed to their respective theatres, display which lens is to be used for that certain feature.
Unfortunately, once in a while, the listings will display the wrong lens type. But, with my years in this field, that I've learned to physically check the prints for lens usage instead of relying on what is posted on a sheet of paper.
I've seen attached (spliced) trailers in a wrong format to what the feature is to be in (course, this was many moons ago when the attached trailer concept was still new..) to where I go into the 2nd reel to confirm which lens to be used and save the embarrassment.
Yet, the big unfortunate thing nowdays is trying to teach this practice to this 'generation' since they are in the mode of getting the job done and getting out of the theatre in a quick.
-Monte
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Frank Angel
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posted 10-29-2007 12:33 AM
I once had a Japanese import a few years ago (can't recall the name) and it contained a whole reel in anamorphic squeeze. Talk about panic. This director evidently used this distortion to indicate fantasy or some such. And it changed to this scope-type image at a reel changed as well, making it impossible to guess that it was being done intentionally.
After 5 minutes into the reel, I was sure that somehow there were two versions of this title -- a scope version and probably a TV version, and I had gotten a print with mixed reels.
I checked the next reel and it was just a normal 1.66 hard matted flat image, which only confirmed my suspicions that I had gotten two versions of this title. Then just as I was about to shut down the show and make the necessary correction to show that reel in scope, bingo....the image on the screen was back to normal, which luckily convinced me that this was indeed the way it was supposed to look. Then throughout the rest of the film there were shorter "fantasy" sections with the image switching back and forth from compressed to normal and then, believe it or not, to stretched as if filmed thru a projection anamorphic. It became clear what was going on, but not before causing total bewilderment and panic in this projectionist and an almost causing a show-stopping, mistaken "correction."
And as Stephen said, it sure would have been nice if some brother projectionist would have stuck a warning note in the can explaining that this damn thing had scope-like squeeze in some parts and stretched images in others and not to start switching lenses and plates in the middle of the film!
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Stephen Furley
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From: Coulsdon, Croydon, England
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posted 10-29-2007 02:52 AM
quote: Andy Muirhead
I've seen this quite often. I've always picked up on it when making up the print, sometimes though someone else has made up the print and not noticed it, makes for a confusing few seconds.
I've never seen a certificate printed wrongly. I've once or twice seen a logo which comes after it in the wrong ratio, but having seen the certificate right does at least give you reason to think that it's the logo that's printed wrong. If he first thing that hits the screen, the certificate, is wrong, then my first thought is that I've made a major cock-up. Of course, these days, the certificate isn't always the first thing to hit the screen; you quite often get those stupid FACT anti-piracy things fist.
This film was first run on Friday; I ran the second screening of it, on Saturday. Whoever made up the print had written the correct ratio, 1.85, on the make-up sheet, but whether hey had got this by looking at the print, or just by reading what it said on the can labels, I don't know. They couldn't have got as far as making the splice at the end of the first reel without seeing what ratio it was. The first thing you would normally check when making up a print is what certificate it is; though rare, there have been cases where the advance publicity has been wrong. I don't see how you could do this without seeing that the certificate is in scope. Somebody, possibly not the same person who made up the print, must have run it on Friday, it would be impossible as you open the curtains not to see that the certificate is wrong. I really can't understand why they didn't leave a note about it. I've left two, one on the board, and another on the make-up sheet.
Having had the film hit the screen in the wrong ratio, and then changed ratio and still had it wrong, whatever I did it would have looked terrible. There was a logo which wasn't obvious which format it was in. With hindsight, If I'd just let it run it would have been ok after the certificate, but I couldn't be sure of that, so, under the circumstances, the best thing seemed to be to stop the show, put the print on the bench, check to see exactly what was going on, and then rewind and re-start. Of course, in this case the audience were then treated to seeing the film start in the wrong ratio again a few minutes later. I did call down to front of house once I knew what had happened, and ask for somebody to explain to the audience hat the certificate had been wrongly printed, but the film itself would be shown correctly.
I thought this might be my last shift before retiring, but I'm being brought back to do a few hours at the end of November; I don't know about after that, maybe the odd day to cover sickness, etc.
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..being the feature is in Scope? Or, was Disney on a different planet when they wrote that?
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