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Author Topic: Any info on 35mm Kinoton model PR135 would be helpful Brian Dooda Film Handler Posts: 16 From: Brooklyn, New York / USA Registered: Aug 2006 posted 02-25-2008 09:48 PM                     My theater has been offered a pair of 35mm Kinoton model PR135 projectors. I can't seem to find any information about this model Kinoton and would appreciate anyones experience or knowledge (when were they manufactured and for what intention, are parts outdated?). A link or a pdf. manual would be great. -Thanks  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-25-2008 10:04 PM                     I think that may be the Magnatech version of the FP-20... can anyone else here confirm this... Mark  |  IP: Logged Mitchell Dvoskin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1869 From: West Milford, NJ, USA Registered: Jan 2001 posted 02-26-2008 08:12 AM                     These are indeed Magna-Tech modified FP-20's. We are using them at the Landmark Loews Jersey. All the threading path parts, including the sound reader is identical to the FP-20. Magna-Tech modifications mostly involved allowing them to run in reverse (something I do not recommend). The FP-20's are late 1960's thru 1970's vintage machines. Parts are readily available, but tend to be more expensive than for American made projectors. Brad Miller, our forum host, is a Kinoton dealer and can order you any part you may need.  |  IP: Logged Dave Macaulay Film God Posts: 2321 From: Toronto, Canada Registered: Apr 2001 posted 02-26-2008 10:24 PM                     Reverse running is pretty dicey. There was a proper FP-20 reversing machine (with an extra driven sprocket between the intermittent and the soundhead) but no MagnaTech unit I've seen is based on it. The Phillips/Kinoton projector mechanicals are all excellent... the MagnaTech electronic stuff and added mechanicals are another story. As long as it works it's fine, and they are pretty reliable. If the electronics or reel torque motors or the various electric and one-way clutches/brakes give trouble, they can be a nightmare.  |  IP: Logged Bernard Tonks Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 619 From: Cranleigh, Surrey, England Registered: Apr 2001 posted 02-27-2008 05:13 AM                     Worked on 5 of the FP 20s in television with the extra driven sprocket used for dubbing, telecine transfer & TX. There was never any problem with these, even when there was a rare interlock runaway fault when the film would run almost three times the speed.  |  IP: Logged Bill Gabel Film God Posts: 3873 From: Technicolor / Postworks NY, USA Registered: Jan 2002 posted 02-27-2008 09:09 AM                     I have a pair of them here running in Times Square. No problems at all.  |  IP: Logged Robert Minichino Master Film Handler Posts: 350 From: Haskell, NJ, USA Registered: Dec 2005 posted 02-27-2008 11:21 AM                        I'm the tech at the Loew's Jersey, and the Magna-Tech modifications on the ones we have are fairly straightforward and I can't imagine any nightmares resulting from them unless you really needed reverse operation. The supply and take-up shafts are driven by torque motors with electric brakes for threading. If these were to go it wouldn't be difficult to replace the motors or revert to regular friction take-ups if you didn't need reverse operation. There is an electric clutch driving the sound drum to maintain the lower loop in reverse operation. The belt going to this clutch is removed in ours due to excess wow caused by the clutch not totally disengaging in forward operation. Finally, for reverse operation through the gate there are pins actuated by a friction clutch that push the top of the skate out about 1/8" when running in reverse. Not much to go wrong here. They seem to run well enough in reverse, but I don't imagine they're terribly kind to film that way (don't have any evidence, just my gut from observing them run). I wouldn't run anything I care about in reverse.  |  IP: Logged Stephen Furley Film God Posts: 3059 From: Coulsdon, Croydon, England Registered: May 2002 posted 02-27-2008 04:49 PM                     Robert, About a week ago the Loew's sent out the following message to those on their mailing list: quote: Hi everyone, We are hoping to move a couple of our movie projectors around this Saturday, February 23. If available, please try to come around noontime. Also feel free to pass the word along to anyone who may also be able to help. There will be other projects lined up for our "non-heavy lifters" too! Thanks, Susan Friends of the Loew's, Inc. What is happening there; is this to make room for the DP-70s? If so, do you know when this is likely to be completed, and does this finally mean the end for the Ashcraft arcs? There has been some improvement in my health recently, and I was trying to find a time when I could come over this year, but they only seem to be doing a few shows before the Summer closure.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-27-2008 04:57 PM                     quote: Bernard Tonks There was never any problem with these, even when there was a rare interlock runaway fault when the film would run almost three times the speed. The ultimate worst was on the RCA FR-35B when a + or - rail fuse blew on the torque motors you insantly went to full wind speed on the reel(about 3000 RPM!) often sending film sailing through the air for a long distance. When you killed the power if the split ws on backwards it would unscrew itself  |  IP: Logged Mitchell Dvoskin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1869 From: West Milford, NJ, USA Registered: Jan 2001 posted 02-28-2008 08:03 AM                     quote: Stephen Furley is this to make room for the DP-70s? The Vitaphone projector is being moved to free up the port so that we can start work on getting at least one of the DP-70's up and running. The Kinoton FP-20's/PR135's are staying in place for the moment.  |  IP: Logged Steven H. Krams Film Handler Posts: 14 From: Miami, FL, USA Registered: Oct 2002 posted 03-02-2008 08:18 AM                     MAGNA-TECH PR-135 Projectors are quite similar to Phillips FP-20 Machines except for the following items: Motor and Drive systems, Reversing Gate Runner, Control Systems, feed & takeup frictions, shafts, and electrical wiring. The machines came in several versions including a Telecine. There were also a few PR-135, machines with an all electronic Intermittent manufactured. I don't think any of these are still in service. This machine served as the inspiration and basis for the PR-635 and PR-636 Combination 16/35 all Electronic Hi Speed Studio interlock machine which we still manufacture on ocasion. PR-135's were made primarily for the Studio interlock market and normally were equipped with 3 phase Turner 1200 RPM Compound Drive Motors in order to lockup to dubbers and recorders. When MTE introduced the Bi-Phase interlock system in the 1970's many if not all the Selsyn Systems finally went away as a result. We still stock many of the parts for this machine and if provided with a serial number can supply information on the particular machine in question as many were made to order with various individual modifications. MTE purchased all the inventory of the North American Phillps Company when they packed it in and left Montvale New Jersey in the late 1960's. Therefore had a warehouse full of NORELCO material. They clearly put it to good use. Some of the materials were still in stock when we acquired the commpany in the 1990's. Nice to see so many of you still are familiar with some of the older MTE products. Keep up the good work here on the forum! It is quite helpful! Steven Krams Magna-Tech Electronic Co. Inc.  |  IP: Logged

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