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Author Topic: Why is DTS silent on trailer. Paer Hoegberg Film Handler Posts: 81 From: Borlänge, Sweden Registered: Apr 2005 posted 05-19-2009 03:38 PM                     Currently we show "Angles & Demons" with attached trailer "Terminator". The processor switched to DTS when the trailer starts, but the only silence in the speakers. After manually switch to dolby the DTS switch on when "Angles" begin with normal sound. Why ?  |  IP: Logged Paavo Mardi Film Handler Posts: 27 From: Tartu / Estonia Registered: Sep 2008 posted 05-19-2009 03:49 PM                     Probably you have DTS disc only for "Angels and Demons" and not for trailer?  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 05-19-2009 04:01 PM                     Sounds like you're only showing one trailer-being the attached: Thus, the DTS unit receives the timecode from the trailer and switches it to DTS before your automation pulses up the dowser. When this happens, the automation defaults the processor to optical and will remain there, or can even freeze up the processor. Either add a trailer that isn't on any discs to the front so the processor will see it as optical, add a good length of black leader at the front so the douser will open before reader sees timecode, or shorten up your douser opening time. -Monte  |  IP: Logged Paer Hoegberg Film Handler Posts: 81 From: Borlänge, Sweden Registered: Apr 2005 posted 05-19-2009 04:08 PM                     We playing 3 trailers. "Flickan som lekte med elden" (Swedish), "2012" and "Terminator" the 2 first plays in Dolby Digital, "Terminator" switches to DTS with silence, The feature is in DTS with sound.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-19-2009 04:14 PM                     Well, In the original "Buzz And Bill" DTS Demo film they did want you to listen to the silence... So perhaps they've carried that to new heights... Really... When the trailer with no sound plays do you have... A digital Light illuminated on your player? Time code light lit? Are you 100% sure you have the correct disks? The player SHOULD revert the Dolby to analog for this trailer but it is not for some reason. Is the DTS processor functioning normally for reversion? Is the analog processor ok? Is the cabling between the DTS and the Dolby ok? Perhaps its one of the above causing the problem.... hope this helps... Mark  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 05-19-2009 04:18 PM                     What happens when you remove the Terminator trailer, then no sound problems? sounds like the trailer didn't get processed correctly.  |  IP: Logged Paer Hoegberg Film Handler Posts: 81 From: Borlänge, Sweden Registered: Apr 2005 posted 05-19-2009 04:20 PM                     >Do you have a digital Light on your player? I dont understand "digital Light", but the players LED are the same as when the DTS works. 3 stady, 1 flashes. > Is the time code light lit? Yes. >Are you 100% sure you have the correct disks? Yes But, no trailers on the disk, >What player do you have? 6, 6D or XD-10? 6. >Is the analog processor ok? Yes (Dolby CP650)  |  IP: Logged Jack Ondracek Film God Posts: 2348 From: Port Orchard, WA, USA Registered: Oct 2002 posted 05-19-2009 04:52 PM                        Mark, just curious. Can the DTS timecode match up with reel 1, or a trailer file on the disk, but not advance the audio? Maybe it's a firmware thing on an older 6, but I've never seen a situation where the box would go digital and then just sit there. What could it be playing? A silent file, maybe? Seems wierd that it could do that, then be fine with the feature audio.  |  IP: Logged Bruce Hansen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 847 From: Stone Mountain, GA, USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 05-19-2009 05:06 PM                     When the "attached" trailer was put on the head of the feature, was part of the leader for the feature put ahead of the trailer? If so, then there might be the DTS "run-up" for the feature right before the trailer. This could confuse the DTS player. Look at the DTS code right before the Terminator trailer. If you see two DTS run-ups, cut the first one off. I have also seen the trailer film not match the trailer on the DTS discs, however, the DTS player should figure this out, and play analog.  |  IP: Logged Jack Ondracek Film God Posts: 2348 From: Port Orchard, WA, USA Registered: Oct 2002 posted 05-19-2009 05:12 PM                        That's true, Bruce. However, if I were to do that, my 6Ds would switch to digital, then revert as soon as they saw a timecode for something that wasn't on the disk. It would be a common function during the play of most of our trailer packs, assuming we don't all play only trailers for which we have digital audio. The 6 was supposed to revert as well, but I don't recall if it had to have a specific adapter in the control cable for that purpose.  |  IP: Logged John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 05-19-2009 06:41 PM                     If you switch off your DTS reader during a movie, does it automatically revert to analogue sound? If not, there's your problem. As you've said, the disc doesn't contain the Terminator trailer yet has DTS code on it. The DTS unit sees it when the trailer hits so away it goes but there's nothing there on the disc. Unable to revert to analogue it appears to stay running until it gets to the feature. Pull the cable on the reader while a feature is running and test that.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 05-19-2009 10:01 PM                     It sounds to me like the discs do not have the Terminator audio on it, but they DO have the 2012 audio, such that the dts kicks in AND the SRD kicks in, but for some reason the SRD drops out when the Terminator trailer starts (perhaps a bad printing job) defaulting to dts which was already running before, but now has no audio to play. Hard to explain. Flip the order of the last 2 trailers and report back.  |  IP: Logged Paer Hoegberg Film Handler Posts: 81 From: Borlänge, Sweden Registered: Apr 2005 posted 05-20-2009 06:46 AM                     OK, Heres is some more details The 2012 (1:1.85) Plays in Dolby Digital. Then: - The original leader (wile automation change format) - Terminator (Scope) - Feature: Deamons & Angles. (Scope) All from lab, no splices between Leader, Trailer, Feature. ---- If i disconnect the DTS-reader - the sound reverts to Dolby Digital. If I cut the Power (220V) to the DTS unit - the sound does not revert - silence. ----- I dont know if the DTS disk have any sound for the trailer, I take a look later today. Buy I have newer seen any DTS-disk with Trailers-sound before.  |  IP: Logged Demetris Thoupis Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1240 From: Aradippou, Larnaca, Cyprus Registered: Apr 2001 posted 05-20-2009 08:07 AM                     Although its been more than two years I had been in a projection booth as a projectionist, I do recall that some trailers were included in feature DTS discs. Demetris  |  IP: Logged Jim Cassedy Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1661 From: San Francisco, CA Registered: Dec 2006 posted 05-20-2009 12:01 PM                     quote: Bruce Hansen If so, then there might be the DTS "run-up" for the feature right before the trailer. This could confuse the DTS player. To me this, combined with the nature of the way your automation interface is wired, makes the most sense since I've had a similar problem like this last year, and everything else seems to be working right for you. I had a feature where the attached trailer was hot- spliced on and there was apparantly a bit of the "reel one" timecode in the black right before the trailer. It would confuse the DTS 6D, sometimes causing it to go into a temporary lock-up condition. Removing about 6inches of film right before the trailer splice cured the problem. JUST FYI> Prior to making this fix, the film ran fine when sound was played back from an DTS XD-10, but the "10" is a much more sophisticated unit and probably better able to deal with things like this. Just to confirm, here in the USA, the Angels & Demons feature disks don't have the Terminator audio on them. Only "Julie & Julia", "Pelham 123" & "Ugly Truth trailers Actual(WoW!) DTS Disk Directory (Edited:Trailers Only) quote: Paer Hoegberg "Flickan som lekte med elden" My friend, whose mother is Swedish, speaks a little bit of the language and tells me that this is something like "Girl Playing With Fire" or "Firey Girl" or "Girl on FIre" . . whatever it is, it sounds hot!  |  IP: Logged

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