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Author Topic: 70mm festival? Paul Gordon Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 580 From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Registered: Aug 2005 posted 09-22-2009 08:51 AM                        Hey all... Just want to get an idea of what good 70mm prints are still around in Canada and the U.S these days. I want to put on a small 70mm festival at the only 70mm venue left in the Ottawa area. Are only option is magnetic sound or optical though as they don't have a DTS system. Looking for the following prints and they can't be magenta balanced... I know its a long shot... Lawrenece of Arabia Pink Folyd's the Wall 2001 Quest For Fire (35mm blow up) Buraka West Side Story Dune Tron Sound of Music  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 09-22-2009 09:55 AM                     If you are thinking of the bytown they dont have any mag preamps anymore  |  IP: Logged Paul Gordon Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 580 From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Registered: Aug 2005 posted 09-22-2009 10:18 AM                        No the Museum of Civilization in Hull... Vic 8's  |  IP: Logged Sean Weitzel Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 619 From: Vacaville, CA (1790 miles west of Rockwall) Registered: Dec 1999 posted 09-22-2009 11:41 AM                     The Castro theater down here in San Franciso has been doing fairly regular 70mm runs recently. Patton - recent restoration and new print. Looks and sounds fantastic - i think this is DTS sound though Brainstorm - good color, good sound, unfortunately the first half of reel 2 has sprocket damage (somewhere along the way an inboard set of 35mm sprocket teeth punched holes into the middle of the image) Jacques Tati's 'Playtime' Recent restoration and new print. Looks and sounds great. Starman (blowup) - Original print. Good color, however it was starting to go VS when I saw it 3 years ago. Don't know how it is now or if it's available anymore. Tron - This is a print that was struck in 1999. It's still in great condition. 2001 - I think this is a print that was struck in 1995. It's starting to show some wear. Scratches/lines, etc. Ghostbusters - I haven't seen this print. Top Gun - Haven't seen this one either. I'm pretty sure I've heard of recent screenings of "The Wall" Lawerence of Arabia 1989 restoration - I last saw this print in 2000 I think, whenever the closing for renovation "festival" was for the Cinerama Dome before they constructed the new Arclight complex. The print was very nice.  |  IP: Logged Stephen Furley Film God Posts: 3059 From: Coulsdon, Croydon, England Registered: May 2002 posted 09-22-2009 11:52 AM                     I've seen 'West Side Story' on 70mm fairly recently, but to be honest, it didn't look as good as a new 35mm print which had been made a few years previously.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 09-22-2009 12:00 PM                        In 2004, I ran Ghostbusters, The Abyss, and Starman at a science-fiction convention. Ghostbusters was in decent condition, but was a rather poor quality blowup. The Abyss had some sprocket damage, but was otherwise gorgeous. I'm sure that it would have sounded great on a better system than ours (which was just into the barely acceptable range). Starman was probably the print that Sean described above--near-mint, gorgeous, and in early-stage VS.  |  IP: Logged Stephen Furley Film God Posts: 3059 From: Coulsdon, Croydon, England Registered: May 2002 posted 09-22-2009 04:15 PM                     Unfortunately, 70mm prints have got a lot going against them surviving in good condition. Almost all of them are colour, and therefore subject to fading. All 70mm colour prints are on chromogenic print stocks, mainly Eastmancolor, but also other similar stocks, Fujicolor, Sovcolor etc. They were never made by the more stable Technicolor dye transfer process. Most 65mm production, and many 70mm prints were from the days before low-fade stocks. Most 70mm prints were on triacetate stock, and therefore are more likely to have perforation damage, tears and Vinegar Syndrome. The breakdown of triacetate is catalysed by the presence of Iron (III) ions, which are present in the oxide used in the magnetic stripe on all 70mm prints with analogue sound tracks.** The fading of the colour dyes is also accelerated by acetic acid evolved during the breakdown of the triacetate film base. 70mm prints are expensive to produce, and so new prints are seldom produced to replace worn or faded ones. The magnetic recording on analogue 70mm prints can be damaged by magnetised equipment, or by magnetic fields from rectifiers etc. Given all of this, it's not surprising that there are not that many good 70mm prints around. ** ok, this is not quite true, but near enough.  |  IP: Logged Paul Gordon Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 580 From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Registered: Aug 2005 posted 09-24-2009 08:44 AM                        another question... Whats the deal with 70MM dts? is it just a matter of buying 70mm DTS readers? I guess a normal DTS processor will work?  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 09-24-2009 08:53 AM                        Same player, different readers. You're supposed to use two players (and two sets of disks) and a failover board from DTS for redundancy, but the system will work fine without that. The 70mm readers can probably be rented if you don't want to own them.  |  IP: Logged Mark Lensenmayer Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1605 From: Upper Arlington, OH Registered: Sep 1999 posted 09-24-2009 11:45 AM                     For some 70mm DTS prints, don't you have to make a modification to the processor to get the five behind screen channels?  |  IP: Logged Paul Gordon Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 580 From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Registered: Aug 2005 posted 09-24-2009 11:46 AM                        I think your just stuck with the standard 5.1  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 09-24-2009 12:21 PM                     For ToddAo playback a 6th Decoder chip must be installed in the 6D and then the channels must be reasigned on the cable for ToddAo regular 5.1 70 like Titanic and Vertigo use the regular DTS 5.1 config The extra chip can be left installed with out any side effects The DTS 6 cannot do the ToddAo format  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 09-24-2009 08:49 PM                     Didn't the "special venue" version of the DTS-6D have the capability of custom assigning audio channels as a standard feature? I also seem to recall that player having all six audio channels capable of full range playback. BTW, isn't there at least a couple or so 70mm DTS prints of Lawrence of Arabia available to book? Sony had some of them made for the 30th anniversary release back in 2002. At least for that movie there should be a choice between Dolby SR mag and DTS in the 70mm print inventory.  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 09-24-2009 10:18 PM                     the special venue unit is a different fish it reads smpte to start with rather than DTS which is a difference in TC chip and a jumper The bottom line if one wants to run toddao dts it is a 6d with all 6 chips LOA was 70 a type or 70 sr initially the DTS version i am not sure what the track config is and I would check with Harris before making any conjecture on it 2001 also had different versions of the disks as well  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 09-24-2009 10:28 PM                        There's a 70mm DTS version of 2001? The one that I'm aware of (one of two, one of which was trashed in its first engagement) that was made in 2001 was mag.  |  IP: Logged

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