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Author Topic: Knight and Day attached trailer Justin Hamaker Film God Posts: 2253 From: Lakeport, CA USA Registered: Jan 2004 posted 06-22-2010 12:52 AM                        Just an FYI, Wall Street trailer attached to Knight and Day was added at the Deluxe depot. The trailer on my print was out of frame on both the trailer side and the H-1 side - and it didn't net out to being in frame.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 06-22-2010 03:01 AM                     ..mine was attached but during the DeLuxe Labs print run, thus no out-of-frame issues with my print. You prob got stuck with the rare, oddball one where the lab somehow didn't get it printed with the run and had to splice one on afterwards.  |  IP: Logged Justin Hamaker Film God Posts: 2253 From: Lakeport, CA USA Registered: Jan 2004 posted 06-22-2010 04:32 AM                        That's possible, but I've received prints like this probably half a dozen times before. I don't actually keep track of when it happens, but it does seem to happen with Fox prints than those from any other studio.  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 퍼항시, 경상푹도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 06-22-2010 09:49 PM                     quote: Justin Hamaker The trailer on my print was out of frame on both the trailer side and the H-1 side - and it didn't net out to being in frame. That seems more like it was printed onto the reel correctly and cut off of it by someone incorrectly but since they reattached at the same point they originally cut, it stayed in-frame between the two. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding you.  |  IP: Logged Justin Hamaker Film God Posts: 2253 From: Lakeport, CA USA Registered: Jan 2004 posted 06-22-2010 10:24 PM                        Chris It's possible we received a print that was used for a preview somewhere and the projectionist had inserted a policy trailer between the trailer and the reel. However, all of the other heads and tails were still attached to the reel and several reels had the bar code stickers intact. What has happened before is the film won't have an attached trailer printed on the film and then the depot will attach the trailer per studio request before shipping.  |  IP: Logged Kyle Butler Film Handler Posts: 47 From: Belton, TX Registered: Jan 2010 posted 06-22-2010 11:26 PM                     Same here. Admittedly i was in a horrible rush and had no desire to redo the labs tape splice seeing as it "Looked" fine. Turns out it was out of frame. And i should have known. This is at least the 5th or 6th fox print in recent times that ive had this problem. And fox likes to send me crappy, busted up reels too  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 06-23-2010 12:23 AM                     quote: Kyle Butler And fox likes to send me crappy, busted up reels too Don't blame Fox, for it's DFS that assembles the flanges on the cores when the prints comes in at the depot. And, they may still have a bunch of defect flanges that won't fit too well on the cores, or simply don't know how to assemble the flanges on the cores - in which I've experienced this way too many times.  |  IP: Logged Ian Parfrey Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1049 From: Imbil Australia 26 deg 27' 42.66" S 152 deg 42' 23.40" E Registered: Feb 2009 posted 06-23-2010 12:38 AM                     And how can all this out-of-frame be avoided? By doing what we have been screaming out for years ... put frame lines on trailers, tags, snipes, headers and tails It isn't rocket science, and it isn't hard for the labs to spit out prints with frame lines. Hell, it even makes the labs life easier when it comes to lab splices. One day.....one day....  |  IP: Logged Joe Elliott Master Film Handler Posts: 497 From: Port Orange, Fl USA Registered: Oct 2006 posted 06-23-2010 02:39 AM                     Hey, at least yours was a straight cut. The one I received was not spliced on the head end of the preview, but the tail end looked like it had been cut with a bowie knife. The cut started above one sprocket hole, and curved down below the next sprocket hole on the other side. I saved the splice, and I'll upload it if it turns out well when I scan it. Worst splicing job I have ever seen.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-23-2010 02:43 AM                        Same here. Badly made, out of frame, single-sided tape splice between the "attached" trailer and the feature. Worse, the idiot who made the splice cut into the soundtrack for the 20th Century Fox logo at the start of the feature. Oh, and as has become usual for DFS prints, most of the reels were assembled incorrectly. At least this print came in normal cans, with the correct title on them, and without an anti-piracy flyer inside. In any case, I hate attached trailers, especially the ones that aren't printed that way. The whole concept just causes more work for everyone involved.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 06-23-2010 02:48 AM                     quote: Scott Norwood most of the reels were assembled incorrectly ...and with working with Christie MUTS, you have to disassemble them anyway so the dogpin holes on both flanges and core can align up with the dogpin on the MUT. This is where STRONG MUTS have it made with their small dogpin setup..and even then, once in a while, flange disasssembly and reassembly is still needed.  |  IP: Logged Justin Hamaker Film God Posts: 2253 From: Lakeport, CA USA Registered: Jan 2004 posted 06-23-2010 04:38 AM                        The thing that gets me with the reel flanges is that even with cores that have 7 holes, the idiots at DFS will still not get the hole on the core lined up with the hole on the flanges.  |  IP: Logged Bruce McGee Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1776 From: Asheville, NC USA... Nowhere in Particular. Registered: Aug 1999 posted 06-23-2010 08:41 PM                     My print was out of frame as well. I imagine that DFS hires people as cheap as possible, like most places do... They give them a minute or two of training, and then turn them loose on a pile of pancakes.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 06-23-2010 09:01 PM                     If FilmTreat, who makes the good clip-together reels, would just listen to me and drill that second hole in their reel flange, it wouldn't matter which way the depot guys assemble the reels in relation to the core. Of course when the depots assemble the reels incorrectly, that causes the people in the field to have to pull the reels apart and re-assemble them correctly...meaning the reels wear out twice as fast. Bad for the depots and studios that have to pay for more reels, good for the makers of the reels.  |  IP: Logged Kyle Butler Film Handler Posts: 47 From: Belton, TX Registered: Jan 2010 posted 06-24-2010 01:20 AM                     quote: Monte L Fullmer Don't blame Fox, for it's DFS that assembles the flanges on the cores when the prints comes in at the depot. And, they may still have a bunch of defect flanges that won't fit too well on the cores, or simply don't know how to assemble the flanges on the cores - in which I've experienced this way too many times. I generally don't have a problem with the other studio's reels for one reason or another. It just doesn't seem like a coincidence to me anymore that every FOX film ive built in the last 4 years has been sent on the worlds oldest busted up reels. Except a-team. I was happy and surprised to see that everything was on BRAND NEW reels, in a brand new set of cans.  |  IP: Logged

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