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Author Topic: DTS tag question Jean-Marc Toussaint Film Handler Posts: 60 From: Paris, France Registered: May 2008 posted 05-19-2011 09:55 AM                        I'm puzzled. I have a soft spot for the old "Digital Experience" DTS tag (the one with the golden disc). I still have two of these (one scope, one flat) but sometimes, they just don't start with some films I'm trying to project. The audio is apparently present on the disc (it's listed as part of the R14 trailer package) and timecode is visible on the film. So what's happening?  |  IP: Logged Markus Lemm Expert Film Handler Posts: 113 From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Registered: Nov 2005 posted 05-19-2011 11:21 AM                        I had the same problem. Either the film has shrunk a bit or the timecode is printed a bit off center. I had to adjust the lateral position bolt, under the do not adjust sticker, to get it to read. Does the LED light on the reader stay solid when the tag runs through?  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 05-19-2011 12:13 PM                     It looks like when DATASAT took over DTS, they're gradually removing that old audio tag from their trailer/feature discs since DTS is considered a defunct company - DATASAT wants to keep moving forward and remove itself from anything DTS related.  |  IP: Logged Daniel Schulz Master Film Handler Posts: 387 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 05-19-2011 12:22 PM                        While it's true that we are moving forward with branding as Datasat, the audio files for all the old logos are still included on all our feature soundtrack discs to ensure digital playback. This may change in the future if we need the space to allocate to the new Datasat trailers, but for now the audio for the Digital Experience (crashing disc), Sonic Landscape (piano) and Sparks logos are still included on the feature discs.  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 퍼항시, 경상푹도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 05-19-2011 01:54 PM                     And with the possibility of later no longer having discs that have the appropriate sound for that tag/trailer. http://www.film-tech.com/warehouse/wareview.php?id=1737&category=2 It lets you extract the sound for individual trailers so you can make a custom disc... and obviously you could use that to keep a copy of that tag for future use.  |  IP: Logged Jean-Marc Toussaint Film Handler Posts: 60 From: Paris, France Registered: May 2008 posted 05-20-2011 07:44 AM                        Thank you for the informations. The tag works fine with older films, though, it's bizarre. I'll try with my trailer disc tonight as the film we are screening has sound on a single CD...  |  IP: Logged Jean-Marc Toussaint Film Handler Posts: 60 From: Paris, France Registered: May 2008 posted 05-22-2011 04:56 AM                        OK, tested with a trailer disc containing the "Digital Experience" sound. To no avail. I just screened the tag in SR, albeit slightly louder, then switched to DTS (feature was perfectly in sync so I don't think there's something wrong with my set-up).  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 퍼항시, 경상푹도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 05-22-2011 01:17 PM                     That makes me think there's something wrong with the tag itself, that the film has shrunken enough that it's not reading the timecode as alluded to earlier. You should try just running that tag and see if you get a timecode at all.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 05-22-2011 01:25 PM                     Is it the original flying disc logo, or is it the extended flying disc logo introduced about 1994 where after the disc flies around the final dts logo appears with a helping of bass? The original 1993 version is no longer on the discs. You would have to have the Reel 1 audio file from an early release when they were printing the logo onto the beginning of the movies. Here is a youtube link to the extended version. The original ended at about 16 seconds.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 05-22-2011 01:49 PM                     It's a long shot, but I think it would be good in terms of historical significance if Universal Pictures included the original (shorter) DTS flying disc logo on the front of Jurassic Park when it is released on Blu-ray. All of the original release prints of Jurassic Park had the flying disc trailer attached, leaving it up to theaters not equipped with DTS to remove the film clip. Many didn't. It was Spring of 1994 before Universal stopped including the DTS flying disc trailer on all their release prints. I'm not sure if other distributors using DTS in 1993 and early 1994 had the same practice. All of those were the original, shorter version of the trailer. The extended trailer with the DTS logo always shipped separately from the release prints. Speed was the first release I saw it used. I'm not sure which was the first, The Crow perhaps?  |  IP: Logged Jean-Marc Toussaint Film Handler Posts: 60 From: Paris, France Registered: May 2008 posted 05-23-2011 06:23 AM                        More tests performed. You guys were spot on. Flat tag will only run with 1993/1994 media (short version ending with golden disc explosion). Scope version (with DTS logo at the end) has probably shrunk as it sends infos for one or two seconds at the beginning then the green LED on the reader goes off. Datasat here no longer supplies 35mm tags so I guess I'm stuck with "Landscape" until that one wears off.  |  IP: Logged Blaine Young Master Film Handler Posts: 477 From: Kirkland, WA, USA Registered: Sep 2006 posted 06-05-2011 08:31 PM                     As best as I can tell, the "short" version of "The Digital Experience" tag (that ends with the exploding disc) was only issued as "attached" trailer, which would be part of Reel 1 of the feature. I've checked very early discs and the first instance of the "Stand Alone" trailer was on SN 1017 (Beethoven's 2nd), and is the full 34 second version. I have run across audio for a tag called "DTS Water". Anyone have a copy of this tag, or know what it looks like?  |  IP: Logged John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 06-05-2011 09:23 PM                     There was a Dolby 'Rain' tag. Perhaps it's been mislabelled?  |  IP: Logged Blaine Young Master Film Handler Posts: 477 From: Kirkland, WA, USA Registered: Sep 2006 posted 06-06-2011 11:27 AM                     What I have located is DTS audio on a few early (1997 and before) feature discs.  |  IP: Logged Damien Taylor Master Film Handler Posts: 493 From: Perth, Western Australia Registered: Apr 2007 posted 06-19-2011 08:19 AM                     FWIW, leaders and labels simply refer to this tag as "Stand alone"  |  IP: Logged

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