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Author Topic: UK Cinemas- "Davidoff Cool Water" advert issues Steve R Pike Film Handler Posts: 66 From: Gloucestershire, UK Registered: Apr 2011 posted 01-21-2012 08:51 AM                     Hello Has anyone had issues with the recent Davidoff Coolwater advert (either with Pearl and Dean or DCM)? The issue we have had is that it appears that the ad's sound levels have been mixed way too high and, thus, has damaged some of our sound equipment. Has anyone else found this and has it caused any issues to your equipment?  |  IP: Logged Philip Jones Film Handler Posts: 90 From: England Registered: Dec 2011 posted 01-21-2012 10:01 AM                     it's fine here. digital though.  |  IP: Logged Tony Bandiera Jr Film God Posts: 3067 From: Moreland Idaho Registered: Apr 2004 posted 01-21-2012 11:55 AM                     quote: Steve R Pike .....The issue we have had is that it appears that the ad's sound levels have been mixed way too high and, thus, has damaged some of our sound equipment..... Steve, welcome to the forum. You'll learn a lot here. Now some questions to try to help you out a bit... What damage to the equipment did you experience? Blown amplifiers, blown woofers, blown high frequency drivers, etc. I can tell you from over 30 years of tech experience that a properly designed sound system can safely reach "ear-splitting" levels without damage. There is always of course random failures, and drivers that rot out or were pushed really hard in the past and then one peak spike send them bye-bye. Try to give us more details, including all brands and models of amps and speakers, cinema processor and so forth..the more info, the better odds we can help you better.  |  IP: Logged Adam Ladds Film Handler Posts: 7 From: South Kensington, London, UK Registered: Feb 2012 posted 02-17-2012 03:21 AM                        We had this on 35mm from Pearl & Dean and it didn't cause us any issues.  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 02-17-2012 11:54 AM                        Was the track SR or digital? If it was analogue (or the print has both on it, but the digital won't play and it drops out to SR), then it could be a printing and/or processing fault on that one print, or on just one reel of prints (adverts are usually printed from a continuous loop cabinet holding the interneg, feeding a panel printer)? In other words, it could just be that you have a bad print of that particular ad.  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 02-18-2012 03:33 PM                     Wow - When I was growing up in The Bahamas in the 70's and 80's the theatre there would show ads from Pearl & Dean - Had no idea they were all the way over in the UK.  |  IP: Logged Adam Ladds Film Handler Posts: 7 From: South Kensington, London, UK Registered: Feb 2012 posted 02-20-2012 07:25 AM                        When I was growing up we had Pearl & Dean everywhere in the UK. Nowadays it's all DCM, but we're still with Pearl & Dean  |  IP: Logged Steve R Pike Film Handler Posts: 66 From: Gloucestershire, UK Registered: Apr 2011 posted 04-06-2012 07:41 AM                     Hi All Thanks for your responses - why it's taken me this long to login and respond, I don't know! My Technical Manager found a part of the speaker inside literally blown to bits (!!!) it could have been wear and tear however - but it was an expensive fix. Nether the less, we have now converted to Digital P&D ads!! Which is an end of an era (but a godsend in another ... editing those green/black reels each week... nightmare!) I believe we sent the ad back to P&D to investigate - however I've not heard much since  |  IP: Logged Jesse Skeen Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1517 From: Sacramento, CA Registered: Aug 2000 posted 04-06-2012 07:16 PM                     Hope the ad revenue was enough to pay for the blown speaker.  |  IP: Logged John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 04-06-2012 08:46 PM                     Pearl and Dean were here too.  |  IP: Logged Dick Vaughan Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1032 From: Bradford, West Yorkshire, UK Registered: Jul 2000 posted 04-08-2012 04:46 AM                        Another example of Mother Britain looking after the colonies !  |  IP: Logged Marco Giustini Film God Posts: 2713 From: Reading, UK Registered: Nov 2007 posted 04-08-2012 05:52 AM                     As tony said, a properly designed sound system should be able to withstand a 0dB recording with some headroom. Even though the adv could be in fact very high, it won't be higher than 0dBFS - that's digital fact - and your system should be able to cope with it at 7.0 fader setting. If your system fails under such levels, it's your system's fault unfortunately. Also, I hope you have a way to show your commercials at a lower volume, say 4.5/5. A blown cone/diaphragm should not be a very expensive damage, I would say a few hundreds including labour but - as Tony pointed out - that should not happen. If it happens, it's worth investigating.  |  IP: Logged Chuck McGregor Film Handler Posts: 47 From: Bremen, ME, USA Registered: Mar 2012 posted 04-08-2012 11:17 AM                     quote: part of the speaker inside literally blown to bits (!!!) It wasn't said what those "bits" were. That would tell a lot about, if not pinpoint, the problem. The usual culprits for "bits" are either a fractured compression driver diaphragm or a cone driver surround failure (read old, rotting foam surround). quote: Marco Giustini A properly designed sound system should be able to withstand a 0dB recording with some headroom. "Should" is the operative word  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 04-08-2012 11:38 AM                     There was only one time when I saw a theater sound system actually blow speakers that weren't due to an amplifier malfunction. It was at the Cinemark theater at Military Circle in Norfolk, VA. At that time their two big auditoriums had these three-way electronic crossovers from JBL. You enter the model of the speaker into the front panel and the device sends the correct signal to each speaker. All very spiffy. However, some of the kids got to tinkering with the things and ended up routing all the signals to the wrong speakers. If that's not bad enough, they decided to have a midnight movie party and they played "The Fast and the Furious" with the volume turned up to "11." Well, the speakers didn't make it through the first race scene. Guess who had to hike his fat ass up a ladder and onto a three foot wide platform, 25 feet in the air, behind the screen to change all six of those blown drivers? Moi! That's who! If I ever get my hands on the little cocksuckers that did that, their asses are grass! Now, like others have said, speakers with old cones and surrounds can sometimes shred but, technically, that's not a "blown" speaker. Shredded cones are repairable, by the way...  |  IP: Logged Marco Giustini Film God Posts: 2713 From: Reading, UK Registered: Nov 2007 posted 04-08-2012 01:16 PM                     quote: Chuck McGregor "Should" is the operative word sadly. But from Pearl and Dean point of view, it's not their problem.  |  IP: Logged

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