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Author Topic: Last can of Taken 2 Adam Ladds Film Handler Posts: 7 From: South Kensington, London, UK Registered: Feb 2012 posted 02-08-2013 09:57 AM                        On the final can of a print of Taken 2 I was making up I saw this: http://i.imgur.com/ses30Or.jpg We're not digital yet, but we aim to be before the end of 2013. It is sad when you see something like this  |  IP: Logged Robert E. Allen Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1078 From: Checotah, Oklahoma Registered: Jul 2002 posted 02-08-2013 10:57 AM                     The saddest part is that exhibitors have to fork over a ton of money to save the distributors money. That's the only reason for the digital switch. A good film presentation will equal digital any day.  |  IP: Logged Bill Enos Film God Posts: 2081 From: Richmond, Virginia, USA Registered: Apr 2000 posted 02-08-2013 11:57 AM                     If cheapskate exhibitors had their way motion pictures would still be sound free, black and white, projected in 1.33 in unheated, unairconditioned theaters with salvaged church pews for seats.  |  IP: Logged Jay Glaus Expert Film Handler Posts: 123 From: Pittsburgh, PA USA Registered: Dec 2010 posted 02-08-2013 12:43 PM                         |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 02-08-2013 12:56 PM                     quote: Robert E. Allen A good film presentation will equal digital any day. Not anymore Bob. Unless you have access to EK prints, everything theaters are receiving today is being cranked out by Deluxe. The last few theaters I've converted I was looking at the images and they were awful. Deluxe was never very good in the first place and it is clear absolutely nobody cares anymore. You can simply never make that statement again regarding current 35mm prints. With rare exceptions, you can't even make that statement regarding most repertory prints, as most of them have dust and at least light scratches on them from handling.  |  IP: Logged Jonathan Wood Expert Film Handler Posts: 206 From: Oxfordshire, United kingdom Registered: Jan 2008 posted 02-08-2013 01:55 PM                     It's the 'dust and light scratches' that I will miss the most !  |  IP: Logged Robert E. Allen Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1078 From: Checotah, Oklahoma Registered: Jul 2002 posted 02-08-2013 03:22 PM                     That's too bad Brad. Thanks for the tip.  |  IP: Logged Bill Enos Film God Posts: 2081 From: Richmond, Virginia, USA Registered: Apr 2000 posted 02-08-2013 04:14 PM                     The last dozen or so 35mm prints we received were covered with cross frame scratches. damaged SRD tracks etc. Most took at least 3 replacements to get something playable, one needed 5 replacement prints. This would indicate that the remaining film theaters don't know what they are doing.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 02-08-2013 05:59 PM                     Well also of the theaters still standing, those are the ones (with exceptions) that are being held together by duct tape where the owners don't have the money to do anything to improve. It's simple math that these last film theaters will be the worst of the bunch.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-08-2013 06:25 PM                        quote: It's the 'dust and light scratches' that I will miss the most ! That's kind of hilarious given that before the advent of digital, "dust and scratches" were the worst things that could happen to a movie, and people were touting home video as a way to watch a movie "without all the dust and scratches." And there were products like Film Guard created to GET RID OF the dust and light scratches. So now people are NOSTALGIC for film damage?! Give me a break.  |  IP: Logged Victor Liorentas Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 800 From: london ontario canada Registered: May 2009 posted 02-08-2013 06:45 PM                     I have never been nostalgic for film damage. We just went way out of our way to get a 35mm print made by Deluxe of Django Unchained and it is far superior to the DCP I viewed. This is a move over engagement.Everything has been digital for Django up until now. I am selling it that way on our website and facebook pages...See it the way QT would prefer you to see it! http://www.hylandcinema.com/pub/hyland1/moviedetails/816 I hope to do Lincoln the same way and then I expect film to be about over for new releases. Just saying that not all prints are crap right now.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 02-08-2013 08:53 PM                     Maybe you got lucky. The Django print I saw had horrible mis-timed colors and ridiculous amounts of negative dirt. The Deluxe bouncey bouncey dance wasn't too awful, but that's because Django is scope. That being said there were 2 shots near the beginning of the movie that looked awful from compression (dark scenes) and there were a few shots with blown highlights, but overall most of the movie looked very good in digital. I'm surprised Quentin let those shots slide.  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 02-08-2013 10:07 PM                     People who like the dust and scratches are stupid. If you're really going to pose as a purist, you should insist on seeing the movie WITHOUT all of those imperfections. Seeing a film that's been damaged or mishandled is not seeing the film "as the director intended" or "as it was meant to be seen." If the only thing that matters is that it's on film, just collect 16mm prints and watch them at home. BTW -- Did that film hugger label that poor film with masking tape?  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 02-08-2013 10:15 PM                        quote: It's the 'dust and light scratches' that I will miss the most ! omg i will miss the brainwraps the most lol i had them ever show we were like lol film man i miss those days i think in the back of there minds custoemrs miss that to  |  IP: Logged Jock Blakley Expert Film Handler Posts: 218 From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Registered: Oct 2011 posted 02-08-2013 10:36 PM                     quote: Brad Miller Not anymore Bob. Unless you have access to EK prints, everything theaters are receiving today is being cranked out by Deluxe. The last few theaters I've converted I was looking at the images and they were awful. Deluxe was never very good in the first place and it is clear absolutely nobody cares anymore. Unfortunately very true. Comparing prints we hold that were struck by all sorts of labs (Technicolor, CFI, Atlab, LTC St Cloud, and so on) in the '90s verses "modern" prints illustrates it so clearly. Of course the DI also helped with the overall reduction in the image quality of release prints, but still. Personally I also think that 5/2386 was a much nicer stock than 2383. I look at the colour and saturation of prints like BARAKA and HAMLET, both 70mm EXR prints from 65mm EXR neg, and can't believe how far things have slipped.  |  IP: Logged

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