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Author Topic: Bummer, no DTS for Captain America 2 David E. Nedrow Master Film Handler Posts: 368 From: Columbus, OH, USA Registered: Oct 2008 posted 04-02-2014 06:59 PM                        I just got my print of Captain America 2 (codename "Freezer Burn"). The boxes did not include DTS discs. Called Technicolor and they said not DTS discs are available for this feature. I knew this day would come, but I wish it had waited until I did our conversion. Now I have to install and connect a BACP DSTR20 I have sitting around. I need to do this tonight to be ready for our 8PM on Thursday.  |  IP: Logged Buck Wilson Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 894 From: St. Joseph MO, USA Registered: Sep 2010 posted 04-02-2014 08:40 PM                     Oh, it has been happening. I can't remember which one it was, but one of our last big features at Plaza didn't have it(Thor 2, Hunger Games 2, Hobbit 2, one of those) among a bunch of smaller titles. *le sigh*  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 04-02-2014 11:06 PM                     I'm not too surprised by this news. I wonder if some movies still getting DTS discs made for 35mm prints are getting them produced on CD-R rather than mass replicated CD-ROM. How many 35mm release prints are still getting SDDS tracks included? Sony hasn't made any new SDDS readers or processors in over 10 years. I wonder how many theaters still running 35mm have SDDS systems that are running properly.  |  IP: Logged Terry Lynn-Stevens Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1081 From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Registered: Dec 2012 posted 04-03-2014 12:31 AM                     @Davod, I think this is just Disney being cheap. I understand Technicolor told you that there is no discs, can you verify that the timecode is in fact not printed? @Buck, I am surprised both Catching Fire and Hobbit 2 did not have DTS available, it sure is amazing that Warner will make a 70mm IMAX blow up for each but they won't make available DTS discs for the 35mm prints.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 04-03-2014 01:41 AM                        I wonder how many of the 35mm screens left are running DTS sound. Can't be all that many. Also, the presence of timecode doesn't necessarily mean there are disks. Sometimes the labs just default to print the timecode whether there is a disk order or not.  |  IP: Logged Ken Lackner Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1907 From: Atlanta, GA, USA Registered: Sep 2001 posted 04-03-2014 06:52 AM                     Why would timecode be created in the first place if they are not going to make discs?  |  IP: Logged Kerry Fleming Film Handler Posts: 46 From: Boynton Beach, FL, USA Registered: Mar 2003 posted 04-03-2014 07:45 AM                        This has been happening for quite some time now. Time code or not. No disks being produced. Keep calling Technicolor. Sometimes they have them on a request basis. Can't cost that much to make them! The exhibitor's cost has not been reduced even though the print quality & amenities (DTS Disks) have been reduced. Wonder when they will remove the optical track?  |  IP: Logged Dustin Mitchell Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1865 From: Mondovi, WI, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 04-03-2014 10:08 AM                     Ken, I remember reading here in the past (I think it was a DTS employee actually) that sometimes timecode would be printed even if no discs were produced at the time of release to leave the option open for future creation of discs. DTS is (was?) used as a way to 'dub' a movie into another language without having to make all new prints.  |  IP: Logged David E. Nedrow Master Film Handler Posts: 368 From: Columbus, OH, USA Registered: Oct 2008 posted 04-03-2014 10:42 AM                        quote: Dustin DTS is (was?) used as a way to 'dub' a movie into another language without having to make all new prints. That's just one of the things that was/is great about the whole DTS design. That wasn't its primary purpose, but a definite benefit. And the ability to grab the timecode to automate lighting cues was fun. I have a special set of DMX lighting cues that play in sync with the DTS Sonic Landscape tag. Guess those days are over.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 04-03-2014 10:54 AM                     This goes back to the issue of replication and why I was asking if theaters were receiving mass produced CD-ROM discs or CD-R discs. It doesn't make any sense from a cost standpoint to pay for having a CD stamper mold created unless you're going to have a replication run in thousands of discs. Most movies require a pair of DTS CD-ROM discs. These replication set up costs weren't such a big deal when movies were having 2500 or more 35mm prints ordered for a standard wide release. They're more difficult to justify for only a couple hundred or few dozen 35mm prints. Mass CD-R duplication is another alternative. The process isn't as fast as CD replication, which could be a problem with some movies doing post production work up until days before the scheduled release. Turn around times will be critical. Which vendor do you use? How well can they be trusted with the data? Does Datasat have any of its own in-house CD-R duplication capabilities? "Desktop" devices designed to reproduce a few CD-R discs at a time are relatively inexpensive, but it would take a long time to produce a couple hundred or so discs. Bigger mass duplication machines are available, but expensive. Maybe this is another call to let theaters running 35mm prints with DTS/Datasat sound download the CD ISO files and burn their own discs (or copy onto the internal hard disc of a newer DTS/Datasat processor). It seems pretty stupid at this time to be playing 35mm movies in optical analog if it can be avoided.  |  IP: Logged Buck Wilson Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 894 From: St. Joseph MO, USA Registered: Sep 2010 posted 04-03-2014 11:46 AM                     Terry, I just meant one of those didn't have the discs, not all three. I just can't remember which it was. It came with a note in the box saying something like "Sorry for the inconvenience, but no DTS discs were created for this feature, go fuck yourself"  |  IP: Logged Daniel Schulz Master Film Handler Posts: 387 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 04-03-2014 12:34 PM                        Lionsgate and Warner Bros. are both still licensing Datasat Digital Sound for their features - Catching Fire and Hobbit 2 both had discs available. It is true that Disney opted not to create discs for Captain America, though. For small production runs Datasat will produce CD-R discs in house, but the threshold for doing a glass master is much lower than suggested above. It varies based on the schedule, but we'll usually do a glass master and production run for anything over 150 disc sets or so, which is still most titles these days.  |  IP: Logged Terry Lynn-Stevens Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1081 From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Registered: Dec 2012 posted 04-03-2014 12:57 PM                     quote: That's just one of the things that was/is great about the whole DTS design. That wasn't its primary purpose, but a definite benefit. And the ability to grab the timecode to automate lighting cues was fun. I have a special set of DMX lighting cues that play in sync with the DTS Sonic Landscape tag. Guess those days are over. [Frown] David, would be able to verify if there is timecode printed on the print?  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 04-03-2014 02:05 PM                     What surprises me more than missing DTS CDs is that there are still 35mm prints being made. I thought it was over. Peabody&Sherman have been the last 35mm prints in germany. - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 04-03-2014 02:21 PM                        No studio has said "it's over" yet except Paramount and even they have backtracked a bit. (That's the way it is in the U.S. at least... the situation could be different in other places.)  |  IP: Logged

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