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Author Topic: THX Cimarron original mix restoration Mark Friedrich Film Handler Posts: 6 From: Porto Alegre, Brazil Registered: May 2014 posted 06-18-2014 04:35 PM                     I'm doing by best to restore the original trailer. I will make v2.2 of the restoration. That's because the ending isn't in the correct pitch on v2.1 as seen here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8kiqFnglsg So now the job will be with myself with the force of Connor Wilson. (By the way, the Marcus Friedrich credited in the video is me.) Thank you  |  IP: Logged Connor Wilson Expert Film Handler Posts: 190 From: Sterling, VA, USA Registered: Jan 2011 posted 06-18-2014 05:09 PM                     Hi folks, I thought I'd chime in too. It's really debatable judging from the micro cassette recording that surfaced around here about 3 years ago what exactly is going on in the audio. The descending synth tones and especially the wormhole 'sequence' are the most obvious as they are the loudest in the recording. What follows is what we believe is actually the symphonic version everyone is familiar with at a higher pitch, then a de-tuned Deep Note. The end is quiet in the micro cassette recording, so we cannot really tell. Marcus suggested it was wind sound effects from the Skywalker Sound library, I suggested it was the higher-pitched symphonic version ending. I'm not that happy about v2.1 re watching it because the Deep Note climaxes too early. As well as a pop in the audio after the 'wormhole.' This is because I can no longer find the original audio for the wormhole I collected, but someone made a backup of it on Soundcloud, so I used that, and extended it with the micro cassette audio containing the second descending synth. I have never seen this particular version of Cimarron in a theater, or an official DVD or video from THX or even Lucasfilm. Just a snippet of it from a Star Wars doc made for TV in time for the special editions. Any suggestions from Film-Tech veterans who ran or saw this mix is highly welcomed. This restoration project birthed here anyway.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 06-18-2014 05:54 PM                     That audio on the "restored 2.1" is not accurate at all. It never had the "deep note" people associate with the Broadway logo. I've got a 70mm print of this somewhere. When it surfaces I will create a dedicated 5.1 from the 6 track mag.  |  IP: Logged Connor Wilson Expert Film Handler Posts: 190 From: Sterling, VA, USA Registered: Jan 2011 posted 06-18-2014 05:57 PM                     Thanks for the feedback, Brad. I trust your judgement. So can anyone describe the layout of the original mix? If there wasn't a Deep Note, what was in place of it? There's obviously a crescendo that rises.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 06-18-2014 06:35 PM                     There is, but it's not deep and it's not particularly loud like the wormhole.  |  IP: Logged Mark Friedrich Film Handler Posts: 6 From: Porto Alegre, Brazil Registered: May 2014 posted 06-18-2014 10:49 PM                     I will try to remake the audio for that final sequence without the deep note using Sony Vegas and FL Studio!!!  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 06-19-2014 08:50 AM                     One would think the people at THX (or Logitech, aren't they the company owners now?) would make at least some kind of professional restoration effort to make proper DCP and HD versions of these classic trailers. Cimarron is one of my favorite THX trailers. The stems of the original Cimarron mix have to be in storage somewhere. The other, more commonly heard mix with all the James Horner like music was ported into Dolby Digital. I think the few THX certified theaters left in service ought to be playing restored versions of the Cimarron and Grand trailers, in addition to the iconic Broadway trailer. They're a big part of THX branding. The Tex trailers are a little dated now (I think they're synonymous with the Toy Story movies). The Amazing Life THX trailer is kind of cool, but it just doesn't have the "in your face" impact of those classic trailers like Cimarron. If fans are having to go to the trouble of trying to piece together some kind of restoration of a trailer like Cimarron it should be a very clear clue to the people at THX that they need to get their act together with regard to these trailers.  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 06-19-2014 12:36 PM                     I have requested DCP's of legacy trailers from THX and Dolby several times since 2010. For some reason, they're not interested in making them available.  |  IP: Logged Mark Friedrich Film Handler Posts: 6 From: Porto Alegre, Brazil Registered: May 2014 posted 06-20-2014 12:20 AM                     Folks, now i've discovered that the noise at the end of the microcassette recording is not even wind SFX from Skywalker Sound, and not even high-pitched symphonic version ending. In the original trailer the part that says "The Audience is Listening. Lucasfilm Ltd. Sound System", that part is silent. Restoring what i thought now  |  IP: Logged Terry Monohan Master Film Handler Posts: 379 From: San Francisco CA USA Registered: May 2014 posted 06-20-2014 09:53 AM                     To bad most multiplex-o theatres today don't put on some sort of digital sound logo before the movie is shown. Some cinemas in the SF Bay Area will run the Dolby Atmos logo and It very impressive with the wrap around effect, above right left and back. I will never forget many years ago when I first heard the new Dolby Digital® in 5.1 at the El Capitain Theatre in Hollywood CA and they played the Dolby Digital train logo, the old theatre shook with very impressive deep base and first time used split surrounds. Many people in the audience looked around and ducked for cover. I have not heard the Auro system yet as we have no cinemas yet in SF with It. My friend Dale at Metropolitan/Corwin Theatres in Santa Barbara CA will be putting this new Barco Auro sound system in some select theatres in the area soon as they use Barco projectors. How does the Auro logo sound? Does It fill the room with 360 sound? We are waiting for the first 4-D theatre installation coming at the end of this year to the San Francisco area I hear. I don't think AMC, Cinemark or Regal will put this in one of their cinemas so It leaves some private single screen cinema in the Bay Area to put this hot new idea in and make money from all the tourists that visit. Rumor is Alan at Oakland's Grand Lake Theatre in Oakland may put It in or Paul at Cinelux Theatres in the San Jose/Santa Cruz area will have It soon in one cinema. Paul was the first guy to put in D Box in San Jose CA. Do they use their own stereo surround sound type system for 4-D?  |  IP: Logged Mark Friedrich Film Handler Posts: 6 From: Porto Alegre, Brazil Registered: May 2014 posted 06-21-2014 02:39 PM                     I recreated the original Cimarron trailer's crescendo using audacity and a sound at the following site linked THX Crescendo source Later i will post the results of the crescendo  |  IP: Logged Connor Wilson Expert Film Handler Posts: 190 From: Sterling, VA, USA Registered: Jan 2011 posted 06-22-2014 02:43 PM                     Restoration version 2.1.5 to tide you over. This was a more experimental revision than anything. THX Cimarron v2.1.5  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 06-22-2014 03:40 PM                     Nope, again that's not it. Trust me. The only thing that sounds pretty close is the wormhole sequence. I've ran this version hundreds of times. I'm curious why you are even trying to do a "restoration" without any of the original elements? I'll transfer the 70mm 6 track mag discretely whenever the trailer pops up. I've got it attached to one of my prints but I don't recall which one.  |  IP: Logged Mark Friedrich Film Handler Posts: 6 From: Porto Alegre, Brazil Registered: May 2014 posted 06-22-2014 06:28 PM                     i even redid the ending part on FL Studio (i noticed that THX used minimoog for making the music at the end of the original mix) https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_bKVi4T2woPTUhHdkF5TWM5bWs/edit?usp=sharing Connor, My remake of the THX Wormhole (thats sounds very closest to the original) is here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_bKVi4T2woPN29OV0lnRlhpR2c/edit?usp=sharing Next time use my wormhole. Put some echo in my wormhole.  |  IP: Logged Lionel Fouillen Expert Film Handler Posts: 230 From: Belgium Registered: Nov 2002 posted 06-26-2014 01:59 PM                     I think we'll have to wait for Brad's recording to get it right but so far, Connor's version is what comes closest. Again, sorry that my original recording was that bad, it was done in a cinema with a "voice" cassette tape recorder. You also seem to forget an element: the DOLBY STEREO logo in the lower left corner of the picture appearing at the end (when the Lucasfilm copyright notice appears in the lower right corner). It's the classic DOLBY STEREO (A-type) logo on 70mm prints, and it's the DOLBY STEREO SR "Spectral Recording" logo on 35mm prints.  |  IP: Logged

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