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Author Topic: Brenkert projector oil Jim Billek Film Handler Posts: 6 From: Phillips, WI, USA Registered: Nov 2002 posted 08-15-2014 05:53 PM                     I am still running film in a few locations and have Brenkert projectors. I have tried my normal channels to find oil, but not able to. Does anyone have any "laying around" that they would sell me?  |  IP: Logged Bob Ezra Film Handler Posts: 75 From: Carbondale, CO, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 08-15-2014 05:58 PM                     Dexron automatic transmission fluid works great  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-15-2014 06:11 PM                     While I know people,seem to think ATF is the cats meow I'll say... no no no no no no! Do not use ATF! It will quickly destroy the seals and rubber gaskets. Been through that with Pro-35's and my old boss. He ruined almost every Pro-35 out there by switching them over to Dexron ATF. And there is nothing worse than having ATF get down in your sound reproducer and then all over the film. Search out the correct oil, not over 10 weight, preferably lighter than that and non detergent no additives. Try a bearing supply place, farm supply. It's not hard to get. Or try contacting Louis Bornwasser through Film-Tech. He may still have some in stock. Keep in mind two things.. Automatic transmissions didn't exist when the projector was designed and the star and cam in there are not hardened steel and depend on the cushion of oil to prevent wear. Mark  |  IP: Logged Jim Billek Film Handler Posts: 6 From: Phillips, WI, USA Registered: Nov 2002 posted 08-15-2014 06:21 PM                     Thanks Mark--I wasn't sure if Louis had any inventory left--I will message him. And thank you both for quick reply's  |  IP: Logged Steve Matz Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 672 From: Billings, Montana, USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 08-15-2014 07:59 PM                     When I bought my Eastman in 68 I used Kodak's Intermittent Oil and it wasn't that Cheap. After I became friends with Bob Beaman who was a Bigshot in The Professional/Commercial MP/TV marketing division of Kodak. He told me to save my Money and buy SINGER Sewing Machine Oil for the intermittent. Not only was it more than half the price;I think it was the same oil Kodak was selling me.(same coloring and smell) Anyway that's what I have used in the Projector since around the early 70's. I change it out about every 100hrs or so just for piece of mine.I have had no issues/problems using this oil all these decades  |  IP: Logged Bob Ezra Film Handler Posts: 75 From: Carbondale, CO, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 08-15-2014 09:38 PM                     used ATF for the last 6 of the 27 years I ran a BX60 on the advice of a Brenkert genius. just sayin'  |  IP: Logged John Eickhof Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 588 From: Wendell, ID USA Registered: Jan 2000 posted 08-15-2014 10:30 PM                        I too would stay away from ATF the high detergent base alone would not be healthy for metal on metal surfaces. I have some NOS cans of Brenkert oil (Wolk) but it really is just ISO-32 WF (wax or parafin free) oil. Approx it's SAE 10W oil. The most common use is for turbines and refrigeration use. You can buy it at any good lubricant jobber. Texaco Capella WF-32, Chevron Turbine oil 32, etc. Not very expensive either! Simplex oil was basically ISO-22 or 5-7W These oils are superior as they leave no residue or wax build up like most conventional motor oils and they contain no harmful detergent agents or solvents. They do have a quite good life if kept clean too. Just my 2 cents worth!  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-15-2014 11:30 PM                     Bob, If that Brenkert genius happened to be from Salt Lake City he's the same one that ruined all the PRO-35's.  |  IP: Logged Bob Ezra Film Handler Posts: 75 From: Carbondale, CO, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 08-16-2014 12:44 AM                     Tijeras NM  |  IP: Logged Steve Matz Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 672 From: Billings, Montana, USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 08-16-2014 01:12 AM                     Chevy Turbo 350 and 400 Trans have lots of Rubber O-Rings,Seals. How come DEXRON II never ate them up...  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 08-16-2014 02:37 AM                     Heard from a source that 10w hydraulic oil is good also...but don't quote me. Heard even wilder stories that 10w non detergent motor oil was used in many XL heads without any problems.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-16-2014 09:55 AM                     Steve, I've owned several GM cars with those very tranny's and they did drip a little. There are rubber seals and O rings that are made to work with that sort of lube, the typical rubber parts found in projectors are not. Bob Ezra... There was an indoor twin theater out west of Dekalb, IL that I used to service and the guy put ATF in his Simplex X-L's and it ruined them. I had to rebuild both projectors and the intermittent's. Mark  |  IP: Logged Robert Koch Film Handler Posts: 93 From: Williams Ca USA Registered: Apr 2006 posted 08-16-2014 01:39 PM                     Always used Texaco Capella A on all projectors. On Brenkerts that always drove so tough, I`d add a small amount of Marvel Mystery Oil.  |  IP: Logged Sam D. Chavez Film God Posts: 2153 From: Martinez, CA USA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 08-16-2014 06:12 PM                       I think we had this oil discussion a couple of times before. I've used ATF in Century's int's and they worked for years with no problems. Also BX100's, same result. They leaked more or less the same as before. My thought was ATF does not foam, and there is no wax so it would seem to protect ordinary parts just fine. Can't say it worked any better or worse but it certainly did not cause a projector to fail. Did not damage the fiber gears or eat the seals. Any oil that can withstand the strain of tight tolerances, high heat and the labyrinth of a valve body or the blades of a torque convertor ought to be a able to handle a star and cam with no problem. The only real issue is the viscosity IMHO. quote: Mark Gulbrandsen Bob, If that Brenkert genius happened to be from Salt Lake City he's the same one that ruined all the PRO-35's. They were not ruined, it was a mercy killing. LOL  |  IP: Logged Steve Matz Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 672 From: Billings, Montana, USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 08-16-2014 09:36 PM                     When I was Racing back in the 60's;BSA B34 Competition GOLDSTAR'S Came from the Factory with a non-integrated BERMAN 4 Speed Gear Box.They always had 90W SAE Gear lube in them and the Factory Service and Customer Manual emphasized using 90W. We started running ATF in these Gearbox's as well as the A65 Unit Twins(with no coolers) and never had a single Gearbox failure Ever.We also probably gained about 2 or 3 HP in the GS's simply going from the super thick 90 lube to the lighter viscosity ATF... Modern ATF(like DEXRON 3)can handle tremendous heat temperatures w/o breakdown. As long as you maintain that protective film barrier between metal surfaces that's what its all about... Mark: If you had leaky Turbo Trannys it was probably the Pan needing Tightning/Torquing. The O-Rings and Seals in them are Standard Neoprene seals that have been around for decades and are completely compatable with ATF and almost any other type oil...  |  IP: Logged

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