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Author Topic: HDTV in PAL-land Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 07-24-2007 10:16 PM                        Is it true from what I read that there are 720p-50, 1080i-50 and 1080p-50 formats for PAL lands? WHY? I can understand backwards compatibility with PAL, but there is no reason to have these formats for HDTV. Everything should be the same worldwide as far as HDTV formats go. 50Hz power is no longer an excuse. Is this true?  |  IP: Logged David Stambaugh Film God Posts: 4021 From: Eugene, Oregon Registered: Jan 2002 posted 07-24-2007 10:57 PM                        Oh it be true. This article attempts to explain it. Basically it seems to come down to the building blocks of NTSC and PAL technologies still being in effect. quote: As a result, there are, and will be, for the foreseeable future, differences in Digital TV and HDTV standards in use throughout the World, which reinforces the barrier to true Worldwide video standards for both the professional and the consumer. There are links to more possibly-useful background info at the bottom of that page.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 07-24-2007 11:59 PM                        Fucking Europe.  |  IP: Logged Damien Taylor Master Film Handler Posts: 493 From: Perth, Western Australia Registered: Apr 2007 posted 07-25-2007 03:52 AM                     And its colonies.  |  IP: Logged Patrick de Groot Expert Film Handler Posts: 161 From: Sprang-Capelle, Netherlands Registered: Apr 2001 posted 07-25-2007 09:38 AM                     We were and are using the superiour PAL standard. It has higher resolution and better colours (I'm sorry colors). Hey Joe, you American may never use the Fuck word in public without bleeps. We do. We can even show one or more breasts without people getting ill and claim millions. However it's stupid to carry PAL and NTSC history over to HDTV: * 23.977p (allow easy conversion to NTSC) WHAT A STUPID FRAMERATE! * 24p (cinematic film) * 25p (PAL, SECAM DTV progressive material) * 30p (NTSC DTV progressive material) * 50p (PAL, SECAM DTV progressive material) * 60p (NTSC DTV progressive material) * 50i (PAL & SECAM) * 60i (NTSC, PAL-M)  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 07-25-2007 04:48 PM                        Let's see. The public can read this web site. Fuck. No bleep! I will agree that suing is VERY American and practically all we do. Both NTSC and PAL suck ass. Both are horrible and completely unacceptable. No argument can be made in favor of either, ever. No need to carry either crap over to HDTV. Hail to the Queen, that dumb bitch-whore! Wait, that wasn't bleeped, either!  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-25-2007 07:02 PM                     quote: Patrick de Groot We were and are using the superiour PAL standard. It has higher resolution and better colours (I'm sorry colors). NTSC = Never The Same Colours Really... The rest of the world is stupid not to latch onto the same HDTV specs. It looks pretty dam good now when done right... kinda like film done right. I doubt that the overseas system its going to look at all better done just slightly different. Mark  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 07-25-2007 07:27 PM                        Here's how HDTV should be: Resolution 1080p only. None of this wimpy 720p or 1080i nonsense. Same goes for the BS formats like 768p since they can't seem to make LCD TVs at 720p. Also, no built-in upscaling allowed. Frame Rate 24p 30p 60p 100p All TVs would be multisync monitors to match the framerate, of course. No lame-ass drop frames! The lowest refresh rate allowed would be 72Hz. Make it happen.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-25-2007 08:34 PM                     Joe, The reason that 1080i and 720P exist is because thats just about the maximum data rate that can be sent over the air, remember that most stations have other sub channels... some up to 5... each sub channel eats up some of the bandwidth of the 20 Mbs data stream that the transmitters are fed. KBYU TV for instance has to shut off at least one of its sub channels to broadcast HDTV stuff. Future improvements in DTV modulators should allow 1080P in the future. Have you watched sporting events on both 720P and 1080i... 720P blows it away for the most part and has alot less artifacts. Mark  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 07-25-2007 09:05 PM                        Subchannels are retarded. All they do is take away bandwidth that rightfully belongs to HDTV. I know 720p and 1080i exist due to the bandwidth constraints of the mid-90's or so. Unfortunately they didn't realize that as time progresses, technology evolves. Therefore they limited the technology to what they were able to think of back then. We should erase 720p and 1080i from existence and use a 30mbps MPEG4 codec for 1080p only. No subchannels. They are not needed. Nobody will miss them. Also cable TV should not be allowed to compress the signal even further like they currently do with HDTV stuff. MPEG 2 is sooooooo 90's.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-25-2007 10:26 PM                     I completely agree... In fact it really makes me wonder what satellite HDTV is like. Mark  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 08-03-2007 10:06 AM                        quote: Patrick de Groot We can even show one or more breasts without people getting ill and claim millions. If I could claim millions from seeing breasts in Europe, all I'd have to do is take a stroll down Dollebegijnensteeg and I'd soon be richer than Bill Gates!  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 08-03-2007 06:28 PM                        quote: Leo Enticknap Dollebegijnensteeg Ultra retarded words like this is why I created this thread.  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 08-06-2007 12:30 PM                        But where's your sense of adventure? Surely your life will never be complete without visiting The Netherlands and having breakfast at this place: ...and far as I know, they don't serve duck (or offer psychiatric counseling)!  |  IP: Logged

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