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Author Topic: Sony plans 3d televisions for 2010 Cameron Glendinning Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 845 From: West Ryde, Sydney, NSW Australia Registered: Dec 2005 posted 09-02-2009 06:49 PM                     web page Sony set to roll out 3D TV in 2010 3/09/2009 7:05:01 AM Japanese electronics giant Sony said on Wednesday it aimed to bring 3D television screens into homes next year, a technology usually found in the cinema at present. Sony said on the margins of the IFA - the world's largest consumer electronics fair which opens to the public on Thursday - that it would "lead the commercialisation of 3D by bringing 3D to the home in 2010". The firm also said it would make other products, such as its VAIO laptops, Blu-ray disc players and Playstation game consoles, compatible with the new technology. Viewers will wear electronic glasses that open and close rapidly in time with images designed for the right and left eye, creating a three-dimensional effect. ]  |  IP: Logged Kurt Zupin Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 989 From: Maricopa, Arizona Registered: Oct 2004 posted 09-02-2009 07:56 PM                     So I'd still have to wear some sort of glasses? No Thanks.  |  IP: Logged Mark J. Marshall Film God Posts: 3188 From: New Castle, DE, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 09-02-2009 08:44 PM                    Sooo... temporal anomalies ala RealD and other field sequential-esq crap? No thanks from me too. Hopefully that's not the Blu-Ray standard. Hopefully it's just the displays that will be doing a crappy interpretation of dual 1080P full bandwidth output. Any news on that?  |  IP: Logged Lyle Romer Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1400 From: Davie, FL, USA Registered: May 2002 posted 09-21-2009 11:37 AM                     Why is this such big news? Aren't there a ton of TV's out there (especially DLP sets) that can do field sequential 3D with active glasses right now?  |  IP: Logged Julio Roberto Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 938 From: Madrid, Madrid, Spain Registered: Oct 2008 posted 09-21-2009 12:17 PM                    Nah ... the "big news" is that, by Sony saying they'll come out full-flag with all sort of stereo-3D stuff by the end of 2010 ... it hints that a 3D standard for home will be fully nailed by then. Basically, the only missing piece of the puzzle is the blu-ray consortium agreeing in how blu-ray discs and blu-ray players should do 3D. All the rest of the industry is ready and waiting for that.  |  IP: Logged Lyle Romer Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1400 From: Davie, FL, USA Registered: May 2002 posted 09-21-2009 12:36 PM                     And by the time everything is in place the 3D fad will be over again and nobody will care except maybe for some video game applications.  |  IP: Logged John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 09-21-2009 04:11 PM                     You seriously think it's just a fad this time?  |  IP: Logged Aaron Garman Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1470 From: Toledo, OH USA Registered: Mar 2003 posted 09-21-2009 05:01 PM                     I agree with you all: accomplish 3D without glasses and then I'll be impressed. To me, this would be like artists back in the day forcing the public to accept stone sculptures instead of oil on canvas. It's apples and oranges. AJG  |  IP: Logged Julio Roberto Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 938 From: Madrid, Madrid, Spain Registered: Oct 2008 posted 09-22-2009 01:05 PM                    "Sensible" (cheap/good/convenient) 3D without glasses is simply not physically possible, as far as we know. The whole world has been searching for something like this since the first 3D movie was shot ~100 years ago. Good 3D w/o glasses is possible today, but using multiviews (or holograms) to fill an area with lots of "stereo-pairs", which poses a problem from the transmission point of view or produces a problem with people sitting in the transition zones between views, etc. In other words: we still don't have, and perhaps never will, have a good-and-cheap-and-convenient way to shoot-and-display-for-a-large-audience 3D without glasses. Now, a different story is to do expensive (relatively compared to two-channels stereoscopic 3D), cumbersome, not-so-good 3D .... that, can be done without glasses anytime In the future, stuff like CGI generated films could easily be sent to a large audience in 3D w/o glasses. Or a carefully designed theatre could be built were the seats match an optical screens and sends a few multiviews to cover the whole viewing space for all types of audiences (i.e. from children to people with large heads sitting off-center in their seats). But, for the time being, we can all forget about (good, cheap, convinient, targetted to more than one-or-a-few-viewers, non CGI content) glasses-free 3D in the short (or perhaps even long) run. But with manufacturers being able to put on the shelves 3D screens of over 60" and great resolution for quite cheap, I say stereo 3D (glasses included) does have a place at homes although, indeed, 99% of the people are going to use them to watch 2D content 99% of the time ... The thing about 3D is that it hardly costs anymore to make a TV 3D ready than it already is (i.e., as mentioned, there are plenty of 120hz and beyond, all the way to 600hz, inexpensive HD TV sets in the market already today), so this whole 3D thing is but another excuse to try to get us to throw away our current gear and sell us another TV set or another blu-ray player. But, since it's basically the same price, or a little more in case of blu-ray players, i.e., why not? It makes sense for manufacturers. And, of course, at first, they'll try to charge much more with the excuse ... "But it's in 3D!!!!" Who wants to bet with me on how long it takes the industry to come out with a 55" 3D-capable TV full HD 240hz (superior to DCI 144hz) for less than $2000 (Hint: there are more than one already in the market, all the way down to $1700, just awaiting a firmware update and a HDMI 1.4 controller chip).  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 09-22-2009 09:51 PM                     I agree, full color 3D in the home without glasses is just not happening any time soon. There simply is no technology in existence to make such a thing practical for a normal living room setting. Also, the cost of such a thing (if it worked at all) would probably be laughably outrageous. Even if a TV could show 3D without glasses it would run the risk of merely giving a disappointing TV as an aquarium effect with everything receding inside and nothing moving forward. I think anyone who demands 3D without glasses will be stuck avoiding anything in 3D altogether for the next 20 or 30 years. The glasses are simply going to be an unavoidable part of the equation until we have something like room filling 3D holographic movies that don't require the clutter and cost of a bunch of projectors lining the walls. Like I said, maybe 20 or 30 years from now there may be some sort of new revolutionary technology to make a lot of mind blowing things happen. I don't see it happening with any of today's technology. Flat panel televisions are another problem. No new full color 3D system for HDTV is getting off the ground without it working in a flat panel TV form factor. Given a choice, I think most consumers will choose flat panel televisions even if it means doing without 3D. They'll still pick a flat panel TV even if there are bulky rear-projection televisions or more complicated front projection systems that can do 3D with polarization or some other method. Flat panel TV sets take up less space and they look a hell of a lot better in a living room. That's a major selling point for a great deal of people, wives in particular. I'm not surprised the method most likely to be used for full color home 3D is LCD-based shutter glasses synchronized to a TV set and Blu-ray player. What other method could work for a LCD-based or plasma-based flat panel TV set? Panasonic, among others, is pushing for dual 1080p/24 streams on the Blu-ray disc using some sort of offshoot of the Bonus View technology. HDMI 1.4 is supposed to allow dual 1080p/24 streams to be possible. As to the complaints about "field sequential" this or that, I don't understand the problem. New 3D TV sets, Blu-ray players, etc. will likely be running on a 240Hz clock, providing 120Hz quintuple-flash for each LCD lens. That's quite a bit faster than the human eye can see frames of motion. Human vision at best tops out a little over 70Hz. As long as the synchronization of the glasses works properly flicker should be minimal if even perceptible at all. The biggest problem facing full color home 3D is the new equipment required to run it. Too many people have HDTV sets, Blu-ray players, etc. that are still fairly new, if not brand new. I am skeptical any HDTV sets currently available, even the true 240Hz ones, will be compatible. A whole new breed of Blu-ray players, PS3 consoles, etc. will also be required. If 3D movies like Avatar, Toy Story 3 among others turn out to be huge hits it could help drive sales of 3D capable TV sets and Blu-ray players to those who haven't already upgraded to HDTV or have HDTV sets that are more than a few years old. My $3000 TV set isn't even 2 years old yet. I'm in no hurry to upgrade.  |  IP: Logged Karl Borowski Expert Film Handler Posts: 161 From: Sulking in GameFAQ Forum Registered: Sep 2009 posted 09-23-2009 02:04 PM                     Umm, bad idea? Maybe even a really really bad idea? Talk about getting greedy. Last I heard, only 10% of homes in the U.S. had HD. Don't know what those figures are like in the rest of the industrialized world, probably slightly better or comparable.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 09-23-2009 10:37 PM                     When the DTV transition date was being changed last February I saw figures between 30 million and 40 million US homes having at least one HDTV set. That's certainly better than a mere 10% level of American homes. It is now common for new movie arrivals on home video to see 10% to 20% or even more of their total disc sales coming from Blu-ray. Nowhere near everyone with a HDTV set has a Blu-ray player at this point.  |  IP: Logged Lyle Romer Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1400 From: Davie, FL, USA Registered: May 2002 posted 09-23-2009 10:44 PM                     If somebody has a 3D TV and the 3D version is free, I'm sure lots of people will watch it. But......... If the 3D Blueray is $5 more than the 2D, how many people will pay the extra money? The studios aren't going to release 3D versions for free. If people won't pay for it at home then they are better off making 3D a theatrical exclusive where they can get extra revenue for the 3D presentation.  |  IP: Logged Karl Borowski Expert Film Handler Posts: 161 From: Sulking in GameFAQ Forum Registered: Sep 2009 posted 09-24-2009 01:13 AM                     I have to admit, I don't have a Blu-ray player myself. IDK how many homes are in the U.S., but there are 300 million people, so maybe 20%? That's still only 1 in 5. That's on par with color televisions in the early '70s, pretty abysmal. So how do they possibly think they are going to pull out another "spectacle" when the previous "wow" item hasn't even reached parity with SD TV?  |  IP: Logged Jack Theakston Master Film Handler Posts: 411 From: New York, USA Registered: Sep 2007 posted 09-24-2009 01:47 AM                     There's simply not enough content to keep something like this going. Seriously-- sporting events? The technical limitations of shooting something like that are astounding. The interaxial necessary to get *any* sort of depth would be ridiculous.  |  IP: Logged

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