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Author Topic: Pioneer Elite > to new reciever question Tom Petrov Five Guys Lover Posts: 1121 From: El Paso, TX Registered: Jan 2003 posted 11-07-2010 12:56 AM                    I am running a Pioneer Elite THX reciever made in 1998. I am using a laserdisc player and the Dolby AC-3 RF out which goes into the reciever for Dolby Digital. The reciever has 6 channel outputs which can go to an amp. I want to upgrade my system to include DTS and master audio because i am now into blu rays. Here is my question. Can I connect my laserdisc player rf out to my existing Elite machine. Then connect my Elite machine via channel out to a new reciever with 6-channel in. Will I be able to use my reciever as a demodulator this way so I can get Dolby Digital from my laserdiscs?  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 11-07-2010 01:18 AM                     quote: Tom Petrov Can I connect my laserdisc player rf out to my existing Elite machine. Then connect my Elite machine via channel out to a new reciever with 6-channel in. I'm confused -- how many Elite machines are in this system? This sounds like you have 2 laserdisc machines. And I've never heard of AC3 delivered via RF.  |  IP: Logged Tom Petrov Five Guys Lover Posts: 1121 From: El Paso, TX Registered: Jan 2003 posted 11-07-2010 01:20 AM                    Almost all new recievers do not carry an RF demodulator. So, My laserdisc rf out > to my old Elite reciever > to a new reciever (which would carry DTS) etc. make sense? I want the old Elite machine to act as a demodulator only. quote: Manny Knowles And I've never heard of AC3 delivered via RF. Pre-DVD days. Dolby Digital was only available via RF out on a laserdisc machine.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 11-07-2010 02:32 AM                     There are RF converters out there...check eBay. I know I have one for my LDs though the the current receiver I have already takes RF in...I know all future ones will not. Steve  |  IP: Logged Tom Petrov Five Guys Lover Posts: 1121 From: El Paso, TX Registered: Jan 2003 posted 11-07-2010 02:42 AM                    quote: Steve Guttag There are RF converters out there...check eBay. I know I have one for my LDs though the the current receiver I have already takes RF in...I know all future ones will not. Steve Thats not what I want. I can't afford both a RF demodulator and a new reciever that can handle Master audi DTS with HDMi. I am hoping to use the pre-outs from one, and multi-channel from the new reciever. This way the old reciever acts as a demodulator or pass through if you know what I mean  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 11-07-2010 10:06 AM                     Oh I see. Would your decoded AC3 leave your old Elite machine as an analog signal? Would the volume control on your Elite affect the signal going to your new receiver, or is the output pre-fader?  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 11-07-2010 10:28 AM                        Steve is right, you'll need a standalone RF demodulator. But be warned, it will not be Elite and it will probably not be cheap. It would be much better than running two receivers, especially when both are doing the pre-amp function.  |  IP: Logged Tom Petrov Five Guys Lover Posts: 1121 From: El Paso, TX Registered: Jan 2003 posted 11-07-2010 07:53 PM                    quote: Joe Redifer It would be much better than running two receivers, especially when both are doing the pre-amp function. So can it be done?  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 11-07-2010 07:56 PM                        Only if you want to be truly ghetto.  |  IP: Logged Tom Petrov Five Guys Lover Posts: 1121 From: El Paso, TX Registered: Jan 2003 posted 11-07-2010 08:00 PM                    quote: Joe Redifer Only if you want to be truly ghetto. LOL. Its not about being ghetto. Its about saving money and still having AC3 from my LDS. It would be a bitch to change the speaker connection everytime I wanted to watch a Dolby Digital LD.  |  IP: Logged Robert Minichino Master Film Handler Posts: 350 From: Haskell, NJ, USA Registered: Dec 2005 posted 11-07-2010 08:15 PM                        Simple question, simple answer: yes.  |  IP: Logged Aaron Garman Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1470 From: Toledo, OH USA Registered: Mar 2003 posted 11-07-2010 08:53 PM                     Tom, I've gotten around the problem by using an old Sony AC3 preamp/processor that has the AC3-RF connection. I connect my AC3-RF out from the LaserDisc player to the old Sony processor, and then connect the optical out of that processor to my modern Onkyo receiver. It works like a charm. I still have to run a separate digital coax from the LaserDisc player for DTS and PCM though. Luckily, the Sony pre/pro can also handle passthrough for those signals. AJG  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 11-08-2010 04:16 AM                        Doing it the way Aaron did it is really the only way to ensure you'll get the proper sound levels (other than getting a job and buying an RF Demodulator). If you are using the analog outputs on the first receiver and if they are controlled by that receiver's fader you will need to set all levels/tone/EQ/etc flat and then adjust the fader so each output reads the standard 300mv while playing a 1 khz tone (31.5 Hz for subwoofer). If one or more channels does not match, you must change it internally in the first receiver. Once everything is set, never EVER touch the volume on the first receiver again. Just turn it on and off. Set your levels and adjust volume with the second receiver. If you do not do this, the levels from your Dolby Digital LaserDiscs will likely be completely wonky.  |  IP: Logged Tom Petrov Five Guys Lover Posts: 1121 From: El Paso, TX Registered: Jan 2003 posted 11-20-2010 12:21 AM                    Thanks everyone for your help. This why this forum is so great. I appreciate it. I did it. I could not resist. I purchased a Yamaha machine with 6 channel in. I can now play every audio format from Laserdisc/DVD/Blu ray except Dolby Digital EX from laserdisc. I could not afford a THX machine so I had to go without THX this time. I let my Elite THX machine handle all laserdisc PCM/DTS/Dolby Digital decoding while the new machine takes care of DvD/Bluray. I couldn't be happier. I have not yet upgraded to 7 channel as I don't have the speaker mounts yet. I will be doing that soon. Thanks again everyone. Tom.  |  IP: Logged Jesse Skeen Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1517 From: Sacramento, CA Registered: Aug 2000 posted 09-04-2011 06:41 PM                     My neighbor just put a Pioneer receiver out by the dumpster which has an AC3 RF input on it but has no outputs. I'm wondering if there's any way to remove the demodulation equipment inside and use it with my newer receiver? I hate to see it go to the landfill but I'm not going to pick it up unless I can do that with it. I have a Kenwood demodulator already but if that ever dies I'll be screwed. It was such a stupid design to not just put a normal digital output on laserdisc players for the AC3 signal instead of making it be demodulated outside the player.  |  IP: Logged

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