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Topic: News Flash! IMAX now better than HDTV!
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John Schulien
Expert Film Handler
Posts: 206
From: Chicago, IL, USA
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 04-12-2001 12:29 PM
Sometimes you just have to wonder.Here's an excerpt from a story in today's Chicago Tribune: "Shipiro" is Jon Shipiro, co-producer, along with his brother, of the IMAX film "All Access." Music made larger-than-life --------------------------- By Gary Dretzka, Tribune staff reporter ... "No one has shot a film of this nature for a long time", said Shipiro. "This was an attempt to show a concert as it is, using the latest technology and lighting that was maximized for the film. Film stocks have improved immeasurably since the Rolling Stones' Imax movie, and this one actually has more resolution than high-definition television." Viewers won't have to have a degree in engineering to fully appreciate the high-tech wonders of large-format HD movie making. The clarity of the images -- projected onto a screen that's 70 feet high -- is breathtaking. Although the visual and digital audio presentation is stunning, it's worth noting that Imax cameras aren't particularly suited to photographing rock concerts. Nimble they're not. "People told us we wouldn't be able to do closeups, or move the camera around quickly, because the lens wouldn't be able to hold the image," Shipiro explained. ... I feel so, um, enlightened.
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Scott Norwood
Film God
Posts: 8146
From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 04-12-2001 02:05 PM
That is pretty funny.
The problem, though, is that with today's "new, improved film stocks" there seems to be a greater tendency to shoot with the 500asa and 800asa films instead of putting together enough lighting equipment to allow the use of the slower stocks. Vision 800T is amazingly good for what it is and would be great for documentaries, but it really isn't (IMHO, of course) the stock to use for IMAX films, for which image quality is of the highest importance.
I still say that IMAX isn't really the right format for concert films. Now that it's possible to get really good quality sound on 35mm prints, I would think that it would be much more appropriate to shoot this stuff in super-16 (in order to get otherwise-impossible shots, using the smaller equipment to good advantage) and blow up to 35mm with DTS, SR-D, and SDDS for release.
What IMAX really provides is a lot of peripheral vision information that isn't normally shown in a standard 35mm or 16mm (or even 70mm) frame. This is a big deal for nature films, where the peripheral view brings something new and diferent to the viewing experience. It doesn't seem like it would provide much of an advantage for a concert film, where, due to the way that concerts are typically lit, there isn't much peripheral information, anyway, and where the size and weight of the camera are major limitations.
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John Pytlak
Film God
Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 04-12-2001 02:46 PM
Kodak certainly offers a wide choice of color negative films, ranging in speed from 50 EI daylight balance to 800 EI tungsten: http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/products/negative/index.shtml In general, the slower films have better sharpness and finer grain, but even the high speed films look very good if properly exposed. Excessive graininess is often due more to underexposure. ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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Adam Martin
I'm not even gonna point out the irony.
Posts: 3686
From: Dallas, TX
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 04-12-2001 05:04 PM
>>> the high-tech wonders of large-format HD movie making <<<Huh? I just love when journalists try to impress people with incorrect info. All Access is 24fps, not 48fps. Anyway, I thoroughly enjoyed the film for what it was ... a concert film, an audio experience. I screened it for Peter Shapiro (Jon's co-producing brother) and one of the bands that was in the film. Everyone was particularly impressed with our kick-ass sound system running wide open. Concert-level volume without the usual distortion and crappy acoustics. The only thing that I really didn't like was the blow-up material. Particularly the Sheryl Crow interview; grain so big it was distracting. It was also kind of neat how they built a "making of..." right into the movie. They made no particular attempt to block out the LF cameras, cranes or dollys from their shots. Cool to see them in use. Gordon: How does AA compare to Nsync? (Visually and audibly?) I know NS is an 8/70 blowup. We open NS on June 1, and we're doing a staff screening of AA next month so we may play both. (BTW, I never saw the Stones flick.)
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Adam Martin
I'm not even gonna point out the irony.
Posts: 3686
From: Dallas, TX
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 04-12-2001 10:12 PM
Well, I listened to NS tonight from the DVD and what a piece of crap soundtrack. I ran it at our normal level (preset -3db) and the vocals were muffled and the surrounds were running about 105db of screaming girls. Would have rather listened to pink noise; at least my ears wouldn't be ringing.The film is still in the boxes, so I'll warn our CP about the problems you had. Hope we add AA to the fall schedule here. At least its a great soundtrack beyond the first time. Our CP is optimistic about the BO for NS, as we've had a bunch of calls for it down in reservations already. We'll see ... they have a concert here in town a couple of weeks after we open the film.
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Mark Lensenmayer
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1605
From: Upper Arlington, OH
Registered: Sep 1999
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posted 04-13-2001 07:04 PM
I saw ALL ACCESS on Monday. I loved it. Some really good music. It was a 5:30 PM screening, and my son and I were the only people there. This is NOT the first private IMAX screening I have had.Anyway, there are some stunningly clear concert shots, but some of the interviews, especially Sheryl Crow, are VERY grainy. It really stands out against the Imax images. Mark Lensenmayer ------------------ "As a moral to young men who come down to the city, don't go round breaking people's tambourines."
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Dave Cutler
Master Film Handler
Posts: 277
From: Centennial, CO
Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 04-15-2001 01:35 PM
I can't comment on All Access, since I haven't seen it yet. I can comment on NSYNC since I am showing it here in Kansas City.Unfortunately after Iwerks had mixed the soundtrack it was rejected by whoever makes those decisions on behalf of NSYNC. They then attempted to remix it, and you have what was actually released. Basically the same signal coming from all four corners with a realy heavy LFE. I wish I could have heard the original Iwerks soundtrack. The 8 seconds of out of sync was really funny I thought. It took RGB several days to send out the 'fix' but by then I already had a fix working so didn't bother with theirs. Also the soundtrack is too long, the credits run out before the audio does. So I had to add 15 - 20 seconds of film at the end so I could close the douser but keep the machine running so the sound could play out. I thought there was a change in the credits coming, but I never saw one. The DTS soundtrack sounds terrible, I found out from DTS that the master was clipping during the digital transfer it was mixed so loud. It's pretty much refered to Nstink or Nsuck around here by the staff, but it does descent at the box office so we keep running it. Note that we only run it on non-school nights, and weekends. Unfortunately I have heard nothing good about All Access, so I guess IMAX can't do a good concert film either. Adam, too bad you can't run shows at whatever level you feel is appropriate. I don't have that problem as my theatre was built on a bed of springs. If not I think that NSYNC would be knocking the Titanic artifacts over. Our CEO kept asking for more volume so I gave it to him.
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