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Topic: IMAX Basics
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Adam Martin
I'm not even gonna point out the irony.
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From: Dallas, TX
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posted 08-07-2001 01:04 AM
Not that it's a bad article, but it's basically just a fluff piece, made to impress the masses. There are a few issues with the article ...
quote: IMAX films are shot and printed on huge film stock that is completely unique in the industry.
Wrong. Standard 65mm camera negative and 70mm print stock is used. It's *how* it's used that's unique. It's usually just great Kodak Vision stock.
quote: A vacuum system sucks each image onto a piece of glass in front of the lens so that the image is oriented perfectly in front of the lens.
And the registration pins might just have something to do with that, too.
quote: The shutter opens for a longer period of time than on a normal projector in order to let more light through.
Nit picking here, the nature of rolling-loop film movement and registration allows for a more efficient use of light.
quote: The bulb for the projector is a 15,000-watt, water-cooled xenon unit.
An unmodified classic (2D and Dome) has a 12,000-watt water-cooled lamp; a modified classic (2D and Dome) has a 15,000-watt water-cooled lamp; a GT (3D) has two 15,000-watt water-cooled lamps; and an SR has just a 7,000-watt air-cooled lamp.
quote: an IMAX projector weighs over 2 tons (2,000 kilograms)
Again, the GT is over 2 tons; the SR is 1300 pounds; don't know the classic off-hand.
quote: Not only are the films shot on IMAX's 15/70 film stock, ...
Again, Imax doesn't make the film stock.
quote: For example, the dinosaurs in "T-REX" have five times the detail of the dinosaurs in the Jurassic Park movies. This means that it takes five times more computer power to render each "T-REX" image, and five times the storage space.
Yeah, but the T-Rex is only on-screen for 2 minutes out of 45! Really!
quote: The camera is immense. It weighs 240 pounds
The 3D camera weighs 240 pounds. There are several lightweight 2D models such as the one used for Everest.
quote: there are only two IMAX 3-D cameras in the world,
I know Iwerks has 2D cameras ... don't they have 3D cameras, too?
quote: The camera is also very noisy -- it sounds like a chain saw when it is running.
Blimping does help somewhat, but not completely. I'll give them this one.
quote: everything is photo-real
That just seems like a really stupid thing to say about something you are photographing.
Okay, I'm done. Now everyone go and search the forums for topics where we've discussed the Imax format for the anti-fluff info. [ 03-03-2007, 03:11 PM: Message edited by: Adam Martin ]
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Michael Brown
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From: Bradford, England
Registered: May 2001
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posted 08-07-2001 06:22 AM
Slightly off topic but i thought the SDDS diagram was interesting:Click Here (remember to click on the red oval SDDS icon) with the left and right channels on the walls. interesting
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John Pytlak
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posted 08-07-2001 11:05 AM
The excellent "classic" technical papers on the birth of the IMAX film system are:"The Rolling Loop -- A New Concept of Film Transport", by P. R.(Ron) W. Jones, SMPTE Journal, January 1968, pages 21-23 "Film Dynamics of a Rolling-Loop Film-Transport System", by William C. Shaw, SMPTE Journal, September 1970, pages 778-782 "New Large-Screen and Multi-Image Motion-Picture System", by William C. Shaw, SMPTE Journal, September 1970, pages 782-787 Technical achievements like this make you proud to be a member of the SMPTE. ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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John Pytlak
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posted 08-08-2001 07:34 AM
Mark said: "I have always wondered where one can get those back articles that appeared in the old SMPTE journals"John Walsh is correct that the SMPTE is in the process of putting articles on their website. For now, they have put indices and more recent articles and presentations "on-line". You can join the SMPTE and subscribe to their library service at: http://www.smpte.org/membership/ The SMPTE "members only" library is at: http://www.smpte.org/members_only/ You can work with your local library to get copies of articles published in the SMPTE Journal. Libraries that subscribe to the SMPTE Journal would include film schools (e.g., UCLA, USC) and science/engineering schools that teach film or television technology (e.g., Rochester Institute of Technology).
------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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Dave Macaulay
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posted 08-10-2001 04:19 PM
Adam: Agreed, facts are confused, this article sounds like the crap spouted by marketing people.- Only a few very old water cooled Imax/Omnimax systems use 12kW lamps. Since around 1985 or so all have been 15kW. There are a fair number of 4 and 4.5 kW air cooled ones as well, and one or two 7kw (maybe, if they are still running and have never upped to 15kW) aircooled "classic" machines. There are 2 Imax "Solido" 3-D single case 2-strip cameras with a fixed interocular, dictated by the lens diameters when it was designed. With 1000ft magazines it's probably in the 240 pound range. There can also be a 3D rig with 2 "standard" MK1 Imax cameras at 90 degrees with a 45 degree mirror. This thing weighs a bit more, and has a gyro stabilized mount available that probably weighs as much again. The first 3D Imax film, made for Expo86 in Vancouver, used this one. Imax doesn't seem to want to admit to this movie, it isn't on their film list and I can't even remember the name. Transitions? It had the teddy bear scene, and the robot arm breaking an egg in your lap. The twin rig was used on The Last Buffalo and also Imagine - if that's the one with the little people - as the freedom to mess with interocular was needed for that effect. There was also a 3D rig with the cameras about 6 feet apart for some weird forced shots. There are many problems with the mirror rig - it takes a LONG time to set up using reticles projected from the cameras onto a screen for alignment. This needs a large dark area, obviously... Plus, the amount of cabling and electronics is a nightmare. - The author talks about 48fps as if it's a standard feature. Not. There are almost zero 48fps films and only a few more projectors that can show 48. Ontario Place and Hull are the only ones I'm sure of. The cameras get very snarky if expected to run at 48 for long (it's about the limit for the standard camera) and the projectors like it even less. The film is moving twice as fast, and has to be stopped and accelerated again every frame. The inertial energy is proportional to the square of the velocity... - 20 minutes to reload? Nonsense. The 3D one maybe, but a decent camera operator can do a 2D mag change in about 5 minutes maximum - with a good cleaning thrown in. We can't count the time to reload the mag, an assistant does that in a dark bag during shooting. - 3 minute rolls? OK, but there are also 2000' (6 minutes...) magazines and Kodak did supply 2000 foot 65mm neg rolls. These were made for the Stones movie, to cut by half the mag changes. Filming theirive show apparently made the effort worthwhile. There are also 300' mags for shots where weight or size is a problem, they were used in the infamous Catch the Sun skydiving shoot that may have financially saved Imax in the early days. - There are lots more than 2 cameras of course. Camera #2 was the one used trying to parachute but there were about 8 working ones the last time I looked. 2 of these were reserved for only spaceflight though. - There are at least 2 very different generations of 2D Imax camera, the solido Imax3D ones, plus as the competition's 15/70 models) which we shouldn't call Imax of course). Plus, it didn't even really tell us how it works! I have a bunch of photos somewhere, if I get ambitious I will try to find one that shows the front end of a projector. If anyone (Gord?) can scan a threading diagram from a manual that would be excellent!
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