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Author Topic: New 4k digital cinema projector. Alan Gouger Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 501 From: Bradenton, FL, USA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 01-16-2008 11:45 AM                        I hope this is the right forum. If not please move it, I apologize. JVC showed its new 4k cinema projector at Cedia 07. While it is still quit large compared to consumer projectors it is smaller then the Sony 4k and most cinema DLPs. The contrast is rated at 10,000:1 which is a nice improvement for the cinemas with controlled lighting able to can take advantage of this. If I am not mistaken I thought the cost had not yet been determined at the show but it was rumored to be around or shy of 100k. At 4000 lumens it will do fine on small to medium size screens. DLP will also go to 4k at some point. Knowing everything will go 4k I sure would want to wait before making the switch to digital. This stuff changes and devalues very fast. Looks like Barco is the first to bring it to market. LX-5 technical specification Light output 4,500 lumens Contrast ratio > 10,000:1 contrast ratio Resolution 4,096 x 2,400 pixels (10Mp) Display technology LCoS Lamps Lamp 800W Xenon Lamp lifetime (typical) Warranted 750 hrs - max 1,500 hrs Dimensions Weight Body only: 50kg / 110 lbs Height - width - length 390 x 660 x 830 mm 15.35” x 25.99” x 32.67” Lenses Available zoom lenses TLB HB (1.5 - 1.9:1) included Available fixed focal lenses TLB HB (1:1) Features Special features Up to 4 picture-and-picture data and images Adjustable color temperature High dynamic range compatible Inputs and outputs Inputs 4x dual DVI-D (up to 12 bit) Communication ports RS232 in/out on D9 RJ45 (10/100 Base-T Ethernet) USB port Compatibility Data Computer graphics formats VGA, SVGA, XGA, SXGA, UXGA, 1080p HD, 2K up to 4K and 10MP Safety Safety regulations UL 60950 CE compliant RoHS and WEEE compliant Power AC power 100 - 240 VAC/50-60 Hz Max. power consumption 1500 Watt Order info Order info LX-5 R9011220  |  IP: Logged Brian Guckian Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 594 From: Dublin, Ireland Registered: Apr 2003 posted 01-16-2008 12:25 PM                     Is it official that DLP will go to 4K? The R&D and manufacturing costs may not make that an economic proposition.  |  IP: Logged Paul Gordon Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 580 From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Registered: Aug 2005 posted 01-16-2008 12:41 PM                        4,500 lumens seems kinda low? any screen bigger then say 18 ft would be under lit.  |  IP: Logged Lyle Romer Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1400 From: Davie, FL, USA Registered: May 2002 posted 01-16-2008 12:42 PM                     While this technology may make it into digital cinema, it seems from Barco's site that the LX-5 is a meeting room/presentation projector and is not designed for D-Cinema use. This will be an important year to see if 4K has a chance. AMC installed Sony 4K in their new builds towards the end of last year. If Regal/AMC/Cinemark use 4K in a decent number of their conversions to D-Cinema then it has a shot. If they go 2K for conversions I think it will become the defacto standard for many years to come (until somebody comes up with a cheap retrofit kit down the road).  |  IP: Logged Alan Gouger Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 501 From: Bradenton, FL, USA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 01-16-2008 02:15 PM                        quote: Brian Guckian Is it official that DLP will go to 4K? The R&D and manufacturing costs may not make that an economic proposition. Yes 4k ( inside info ) is coming but it will be a while. The 2k platform is still young with plenty of financial gain left on the the table. Im sure it will not stop at 4k. The Japanese are saying they want to broadcast Ultra High Definition 7,680 x 4,320 with 22 ch of sound by 2015.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-17-2008 01:18 AM                     Yes, AMC, Regal and Cinemark agreed that 4K is not ready for the big time masses yet so they are going 2K. 2K is still better than many of the crappy general release prints that are being manufactured today. Now hopefully no one here actually believes that AMC really bought the 4K machines they have installed... does anyone? Ya got to be kiddin if you think they did... after the SDDS debacle Sony owes AMC ALOT! At 130K for the big big... like a Volkswagon bus on end in size... for a measly 16,000 lumen 4K projector that also requires a multiple number of xenon lamps operating at the same time to make that measly 16,000 lumens... now no one is going to take that sort of idiotic fandangery as legitimate are they? Its daily operating cost alone would a nightmarish! Oh... and ys have to buy Sony's special xenon lamps for it too! Just a few films have been released in 4K so far... and can anyone here actually state factual information to support the ongoing theory that 4K is actually all that much better? The data rate to the projector is ungodly high at 4K! Mark  |  IP: Logged Lyle Romer Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1400 From: Davie, FL, USA Registered: May 2002 posted 01-17-2008 10:02 AM                     quote: Mark Gulbrandsen for a measly 16,000 lumen 4K projector that also requires a multiple number of xenon lamps operating at the same time to make that measly 16,000 lumens The new Sony projectors only use one xenon lamp. It was the original versions that used two. Also, the issue with 2k isn't the quality vs. mass produced 35mm prints the issue is that it isn't much better than the quality of Blu-ray. Granted, a mass produced 35mm print shown in a run of the mill megaplex run by 16 year olds won't look much better than blu-ray either but 5 years from now it would be nice if theaters could advertise 4k as an advantage.  |  IP: Logged Alan Gouger Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 501 From: Bradenton, FL, USA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 01-17-2008 10:46 AM                        Lcos/SXRD panels just cannot handle the heat. I see 4k machine with 2k content nothing moe then fill factor for larger screens but without the light output it defeats itself. DLP is the clear winner here. By the way this guy has the Sony in his demo room.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-17-2008 09:19 PM                     Lyle, The big 16000 lumen projector that Sony displayed at Show East did indeed take multiple lamps... The dang thing was as big as a VW bus stood on end... Its the Sony that Muvico installed outside Chicago... Brightness and heat will always be a factor with the imagers they use. Mark posted from Marks iPhone  |  IP: Logged Scott Jentsch Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1061 From: New Berlin, WI, USA Registered: Apr 2003 posted 01-18-2008 10:27 AM                        quote: Alan Gouger By the way this guy has the Sony in his demo room. That's not a bad way to spend $6 million dollars! For perspective, does anyone have info on how much outfitting a single screen in a modestly-size location costs? Assuming that you can get discounts based on multiple purchases, so that you're not overpaying because you only need to outfit one room instead of 6 or 10. 16 subwoofers... sorry, I just can't stop smiling!  |  IP: Logged Martin McCaffery Film God Posts: 2481 From: Montgomery, AL Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-18-2008 12:19 PM                        quote: That's not a bad way to spend $6 million dollars! Pity he couldn't scrape up a few bucks for a web designer  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 01-18-2008 01:30 PM                        I am just wondering how he gets THIS response: quote: With a frequency range of 1 - 102,500 Hertz,  |  IP: Logged Ken Lackner Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1907 From: Atlanta, GA, USA Registered: Sep 2001 posted 01-18-2008 03:00 PM                     Can somebody please tell me that this is a joke? Who the flip would want a living room that looks like the picture towards the bottom of the Surround Processing page? Oh, how we digress.  |  IP: Logged Ben Wales Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 602 From: Southampton. England Registered: Jul 99 posted 01-18-2008 04:30 PM                     quote: Ken Lackner Can somebody please tell me that this is a joke? Who the flip would want a living room that looks like the picture towards the bottom of the Surround Processing page? May be it was Andy Summers THX setup.....  |  IP: Logged Adam Martin I'm not even gonna point out the irony. Posts: 3686 From: Dallas, TX Registered: Nov 2000 posted 01-18-2008 07:13 PM                     Why does that site have a photo of an Emmy on it? Oh, all right, I suppose we *are* talking about television. Nice web design, by the way.  |  IP: Logged

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