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Topic: What feedza DLP?
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Mark Ogden
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 943
From: Little Falls, N.J.
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 08-16-2001 09:56 AM
Took the Little Lady to see "Planet of the Apes" in DLP the other day and wound up having the "it's not film but it's not really video either" conversation with her (her reply: "Whatever. Where do you wanna eat?). And I realized I'm missing a point of information: what is the format of the feed coming out of the video server and feeding the projector? RGB? YUV? Something else entirely?Thanks!
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John Pytlak
Film God
Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 08-16-2001 10:38 AM
From the TI website, info for "Toy Story 2":"Pixel Data: The image data is stored at 10 bits/component (Y/Cb/Cr) in 4:2:2 format. Since the DMD™ is a linear display device (i.e., no gamma characteristic as does a CRT), the data is gamma corrected and converted to linear RGB data. Each DMD™ displays 14 bits/color, linear data." "Storage: The picture information was compressed and stored using a QuBit compression system produced by QuVis of Topeka, KS. The QuBit uses proprietary wavelet compression technology with a user selectable SNR. This unit compressed the movie to an average data rate of 37 Mbits/sec for a total of 32 Gbytes of data for the entire presentation (including trailers). The compressed data is stored on four computer HD drives with a total capacity of 72 Gbytes. As an entire digital cinema production, distribution, and exhibition infrastructure develops, other technologies will likely be tested." PostIndustry magazine said: "Planet of the Apes" will be digitally projected on Aug. 10 in a special screening at the AMC Empire 25 in Manhattan. Lucasfilm's THX division supervised the creation of the digital master and handled the on-site technical preparations for both the sound and projection. Playback will come from an Avica FilmStore digital cinema player while projection will be handled via Texas Instruments' DLP Cinema projector." ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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John Schulien
Expert Film Handler
Posts: 206
From: Chicago, IL, USA
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 08-17-2001 06:08 PM
Those Sun drives are SCSI drives, which are way, way more expensive then IDE drives.The difference is that they are faster (10,000 RPM vs 7200 or 5400 RPM), and you can have up to 15 drives on a single bus, as opposed to two on an IDE bus. I was curious just how fast I could extract data out of my own hard drive. The fastest way you can access a hard drive is to read consecutive sectors -- one after another. This minimizes the amount of head motion on the hard drive. I'm running Linux on my desktop machine, so I have the ability to easily run timing tests. Here's my simple test: $ dd if=/dev/hda3 of=/dev/null bs=1048576 This is the basic data copy command. I'm telling the computer to read from a 1.4GByte partition, and "copy" the data to /dev/null, in other words, read the data, then throw it away. The operation completed in 324 seconds. So, 1.4GBytes / 324 seconds = 4.8 MBytes/Sec = 38 MBits/Sec All I have is a boring, old 5400 RPM IDE drive. Even with the most basic, inexpensive hard drive, I was able to sustain enough continuous bandwidth to support this application. And this is on an obsolete computer! If I had a 7200 RPM drive, or a more modern chipset, or a RAID chipset, the results would only be better. So yes, I believe that it would be entirely possible to use commodity PC hardware for DLP storage. I doubt you could use windows to control the hard drive thought ... it would probably require either Linux, some other Unix, or a real-time operating system like Be. It would also require that the movie data be placed linearly on the drive, but that's entirely feasible.
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Joe Redifer
You need a beating today
Posts: 12859
From: Denver, Colorado
Registered: May 99
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posted 08-17-2001 06:28 PM
I haven't heard about BeOS for awhile. Doesn't that only run on Mac hardware?I agree that it would easily be possible to run the DLP data off of consumer grade hardware, but that's probably not what should be done. Of course, it would have to be a really crappy hard drive to poop out on reading DLP movies constantly. It shouldn't be doing much (if any) writing, and the data should be linear, meaning the head movement should be minimized. A server grade HD would be MUCH more reliable in the long run obviously. But c'mon, do you seriously think that the industry WON'T go with the cheaper method? Remember, money is more important than quality to the big-wigs. I've owned several SCSI drives I've always hated them. What is up with this "termination" BS? Limits of ancient technology, I guess. SCSI has a faster bus than IDE, that's for sure, but there is just something about them that reminds me of piss poor quality. They're not as great as some people would have you believe. Firewire drives have proven to be faster (for me).
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Scott Norwood
Film God
Posts: 8146
From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 08-17-2001 06:47 PM
I'm a SCSI snob myself (IDE sucks...), and it is pretty much necessary for any sort of "serious" application, since RAID controllers and tape drives all use SCSI interfaces. (Yes I know that there are some wacky IDE-based RAID controllers and, no, I don't think it's a good idea.)
BTW, my personal experience is that SCSI seems to have fewer problems than IDE and it's simpler to understand: each device needs its own ID number and the chain must be terminated. That's easier than IDE, where each chain can only contain two devices, each of which is either set up as "single," "master," or "slave."
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Paul Konen
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 981
From: Frisco, TX. (North of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 08-18-2001 01:13 AM
From the QuBit, the signal is High-Definition (HD) over standard coax cable. This is with the new QuBit system. The older systems has a different system that converts the output from the QuBit to HD with an external device.The drives internally are SCSI and have 4 primary drives and 4 secondary drives that are mirror set. Also, there are other systems being investigated as sources other than the QuVis QuBit. Paul.
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