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Author Topic: Barco Series 2 Demetris Thoupis Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1240 From: Aradippou, Larnaca, Cyprus Registered: Apr 2001 posted 03-13-2010 02:42 AM                     Hey folks. Barco Series 2 Projectors are now online! Check their site Demetris  |  IP: Logged Julio Roberto Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 938 From: Madrid, Madrid, Spain Registered: Oct 2008 posted 03-13-2010 05:47 AM                    Cool. Any indications on pricing and availability? Are they about the same as the previous model$? Generally more or less than NEC or Christie? Any thoughts on how they compare with the competition? I like that they are using re-useable filters and standard lamps.  |  IP: Logged Demetris Thoupis Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1240 From: Aradippou, Larnaca, Cyprus Registered: Apr 2001 posted 03-13-2010 06:21 AM                     And they are also doing a tank based cooling system now instead of the dreaded pressured one! They look promising. The c series is already out. The b series will be out early summer or at least that is the claim. I cannot comment on pricing. Demetris  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 03-13-2010 10:22 AM                     Their pricing is competitive with the other two...think about it. They have to be. Barco has 6 projectors. Three based on .98" chip technology and three based on 1.2" technology. They overlap the 3KW/4KW lamp range. My personal prediction is that the 3KW projector will be much stronger in the "C" model (DP2K-15C) and the 4KW projector will favor the "B" model, once it is available. That is, as you move up the wattage range, you will tend to want the 4K upgradeable as well as more light for things like 3D. The incremental increase in cost for the "B" will be less in the bigger lamps too. We'll see. Christie has three projectors to cover everyone. The CP2210,2220,2230. They correspond to the M, ZX, and X of last year. Only the 2210 is a .98" machine. I don't know what NEC is offering in series 2.  |  IP: Logged Julio Roberto Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 938 From: Madrid, Madrid, Spain Registered: Oct 2008 posted 03-13-2010 12:44 PM                    In the new series, NEC offers the NC3200S in 1.2" up to 7KW lamps and the NC2000C and NC1200C in 0.98" up to 4Kw and up to 2Kw respectively. http://www.prevost.it/newnec2010.pdf Also, is Barco boasting "open" upgradability of the B's to 4K resolution like Christie is? The way I read it, they are just implying that "about the same projector could easily be turned to a 4K projector" once the chips come from TI, but not that they would support "in the field" upgradability like Christie is implying. Anyway. I like the new Barcos.  |  IP: Logged Demetris Thoupis Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1240 From: Aradippou, Larnaca, Cyprus Registered: Apr 2001 posted 03-13-2010 01:49 PM                     If TI ever gets the 4k chips out. In any case I doubt three new chips would cost low and I doubt Christie is upgradable just like that. They don't even know the way the 4k chip, if it comes out, will be utilised and how the circuits will flow since having different circuitry. Most probably in all cases the light engine will need to be changed as well as the interface and input boards since it will either use an internal media block or 4 hdsdi links. Demetris  |  IP: Logged Julio Roberto Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 938 From: Madrid, Madrid, Spain Registered: Oct 2008 posted 03-13-2010 02:31 PM                    Well, that's the thing. The new CP2220 and the bigger brother are supposed to already have a slot for the internal media block (there are even two 4K-ready media blocks announced) and compatible 4k single imager board inside that replaces the old 3 (or at least, it can be pulled out and replaced). The theory, as I read on Christie marketing, is that you change the optical block and you got a 4K machine. You may need to change some of the electronic boards, but they imply whatever is needed for 4K upgrade is "easy" (read not too hard). They are not saying it'll be cheap, though. Needless to say the lens may have to be changed, as the 4K is a bit larger than 1.25", and that it doesn't sound like it'll be cheap, but at least, Christie is openly promissing that it will be supported. Anyway, upgrading a 2K projector to a 4K is probably not a wi$e route to take and more of a marketing ploy, but Christie is openly promising that the possibility is there and I was just wondering what is Barco's take on this and if they are making the same promise.  |  IP: Logged Demetris Thoupis Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1240 From: Aradippou, Larnaca, Cyprus Registered: Apr 2001 posted 03-13-2010 02:45 PM                     Of course it is considering you change the sealed light engine. All this 4k ready is pointless since you will pay a significant amount for a new light engine. Barco NEC Christie. To make them 4k the most expensive part of the projector will need to be changed. They are the same as the series one with the main difference that the series 2 boards and mainboards are supposed to be ready for the 4k. When TI screws us all and go directly to 6 or 8 k that would be a laugh. Demetris  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 03-13-2010 03:08 PM                     Julio, Barco is boasting that BOTH the "C" and "B" projectors are upgradeable to 4K, once TI issues the chips of the respective size. After all, the front end of ALL Series 2 projectors are 4K ready (and they ALL have the media block slots too). The Barco Light engine is a pretty fast swap but Demetris hit the nail on the head...the most expensive part of any DCinema projector is the light engine. Typically 50-75% of the total cost. So what, you are going to sit that much money on the floor when you "upgrade?" I suppose if you wanted a spare, it would make sense. Odds are, if/when TI comes out with a production 4K system, you'll just install that new projector and move the then ancient series 2 projector down to a lesser screen. Steve  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-13-2010 04:34 PM                     Steve... It may very well be quite feasible to rebuild a 2K light engine into a 4K light engine at the factory as a refurbishment proceedure... So a 2K light engine wouldn't exactly be used as a door stop!  |  IP: Logged Sam D. Chavez Film God Posts: 2153 From: Martinez, CA USA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 03-13-2010 06:57 PM                       The 1.2 4K replacement chips are going to come out long before the .98 chips, so there is that to consider.  |  IP: Logged Kris Verhanneman Expert Film Handler Posts: 182 From: Belgium Registered: Dec 2009 posted 03-14-2010 04:12 AM                     Does anyone know when the first 4k test versions will be available?  |  IP: Logged Demetris Thoupis Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1240 From: Aradippou, Larnaca, Cyprus Registered: Apr 2001 posted 03-14-2010 06:08 AM                     quote: Sam D. Chavez The 1.2 4K replacement chips are going to come out long before the .98 chips, so there is that to consider. Has TI signed anything!!??  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 03-14-2010 07:21 AM                     Oh I agree, that the first would be the larger chips...they are going to be on the larger screens. There is part of me with the wink-nudge in my statement in that I question the 4K delivery at all. However, it remains, the current leaflets have both B and C versions claiming 4K upgradeable once TI delivers the chips. There is nothing dishonest about it too. Barco puts it back in TI's court.  |  IP: Logged Demetris Thoupis Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1240 From: Aradippou, Larnaca, Cyprus Registered: Apr 2001 posted 03-14-2010 07:48 AM                     Actually Barco is the only one who speaks the truth. If and when TI makes the chips then you can upgrade. Christie thinks its a fact. When TI will not make the 4K and skip it to a higher resolution chip then that would be a laugh. Demetris  |  IP: Logged

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