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Author Topic: Correct Aspect Ratio for The Lion King 3D Jason Raftery Film Handler Posts: 72 From: San Diego, CA, USA Registered: May 2011 posted 09-15-2011 03:07 PM                     Hello, I am a bit confused over what aspect ratio to project The Lion King 3D at. I am using a NEC NC2500S-A projector and a Dolby 3D system on a side masked screen. The documentation I received from Technicolor says to run it at 1.85:1 and the included framing chart and trailers are formatted as standard 1.85:1 flat. However, when the actual feature hits the screen right after the Disney bumper, I have black pillars on either side of the projected image. The image does fill the full height of the screen, just not the width. Switching to 1.78:1 on the fly resolves the width problem and fills the full masked screen at the expense of some loss of material at the top and bottom of the screen. To complicate matters, when the credits roll at 1.85:1, they do not start at the bottom of the screen or end at the top--the image is fully windowboxed on all four sides. Projecting the credits at 1.78:1 results in them starting right at the base of the screen and ending at the top with no cut off. It's my understanding the diamond edition blu-ray of The Lion King that comes out next month is formatted at 1.78:1. Are the black pillars just an artifact of converting from the 1.66:1 original and the credits being fully windowboxed the result of conversion to blu-ray at 1.78:1? Or is this feature not supposed to be run at 1.85:1 as Technicolor claims?  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 09-15-2011 05:05 PM                     It would be difficult to believe that even the original would have been 1:66 aspect ratio as they is only a common European format. Disney produced that here in the States and the standard here is 1:85 for flat. Someone mucking with the original again I suspect!! Mark  |  IP: Logged Jason Raftery Film Handler Posts: 72 From: San Diego, CA, USA Registered: May 2011 posted 09-15-2011 06:26 PM                     Mark, you're right the original theatrical release was 1.85:1. I was thinking of the 1.66:1 Platinum Edition DVD release where Disney supposedly took the full frames straight from the film negative.  |  IP: Logged Michael Brown Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1522 From: Bradford, England Registered: May 2001 posted 09-15-2011 07:06 PM                     Noticed myself that the trailers we are runing have black on the sides (image not full width). We haven't started showing the feature yet.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 09-17-2011 02:28 AM                     On my presentations of "LK" - both in 2D and 3D, I do notice that the image isn't filling the screen's sides completely. I have thin black bars on each side of the screen. Thus, it does look like the feature was formatted up to 1.78:1, instead of a normal 1.85:1 for conventional flat digital presentations.  |  IP: Logged Ron Funderburg Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 814 From: Chickasha, Oklahoma, USA Registered: Nov 2007 posted 09-17-2011 09:30 AM                        Sounds like it was mastered from a TV print and not the original 35mm theatrical print.  |  IP: Logged Michael Brown Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1522 From: Bradford, England Registered: May 2001 posted 09-17-2011 11:27 AM                     They do seem to use varied aspect ratio's for flat Disney films. I did have LK on Letterbox VHS but can't remember what ratio that transfter was in. I do think I had Hercules or another movie from around that same time that was transfered in 1.66  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 09-17-2011 09:44 PM                     I ran the original LK 35mm back in 1994 and the frames were hard matted for, it looks like, a 1.75:1 presentation since I had 1.85:1 uncut apertures and had frame turning room with the knob before the edge of the bars were exposed. But, it could have been 1.66:1 when prints were struck.  |  IP: Logged Dan Lyons Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 698 From: Seal Beach, CA Registered: Sep 2002 posted 09-17-2011 09:57 PM                     Disney floating windows  |  IP: Logged Claude S. Ayakawa Film God Posts: 2738 From: Waipahu, Hawaii, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 09-17-2011 10:04 PM                        I saw THE LION KING in 3-D today at the Pearl Highland theatre. Before the feature started, all of the trailers (in 3-D) were shown i what appeared to be the 1.85 ratio but when the feature started, the picture did not fill the entire screen because there was a sliver of blank screen on the right and left. By the way, I thought the 3-D was very good. There were parts that was excellent and other sections was very good. Did this release have a 7.1 Dolby track because I thought the sound was great. -Claude  |  IP: Logged Jonathan Goeldner Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1360 From: Washington, District of Columbia Registered: Jun 2008 posted 09-17-2011 11:06 PM                     according to Dolby's website, it is being released in 7.1 I saw this on AMC's Tyson's ETX screen and I thought the bass for the film was weak - I remember hearing the film in it's initial theatrical release and the bass was a lot tighter and had a lot of oomph - here though it didn't In terms of the aspect ratio - the image filled the entire ETX screen (1.78) but the bottom I noticed fell slightly off the screen. as for the 3D - I thought it fine, not good, but definitively not great. On the whole I thought the 3D effect was pretty sporadic. I also thought the sharpness of the picture was on the hazy side at times.  |  IP: Logged Jason Raftery Film Handler Posts: 72 From: San Diego, CA, USA Registered: May 2011 posted 09-18-2011 01:03 AM                     Dan, thanks for the link to Disney's explanation regarding floating windows. I guess that explains why the black pillars I'm getting are wider on the 3D version than the 2D (the 2D version is not a true 1.85:1 -- there's still a bit of black on either side of the image). The windowboxing in the credits also remains a mystery. For Claude, Jonathan is correct, there is a 7.1 version of the DCP available. As a side question, does anyone know what frequency the test tone plays at for the LFE channel on Disney's framing chart? I couldn't hear anything in the house I screened LK in during that portion of the sound check.  |  IP: Logged Edward Havens Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 614 From: Los Angeles, CA Registered: Mar 2008 posted 09-18-2011 11:40 AM                     The Lion King was produced in 1.66:1 back in the 1990s, as was Aladdin.  |  IP: Logged Aaron Garman Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1470 From: Toledo, OH USA Registered: Mar 2003 posted 09-18-2011 12:31 PM                     Saw it in 2D. The image was absolutely stunning, but the sound mix was all over the place. Notably, the deep bass I remember hearing in the opening sequence was non existent. I know this room was capable of deep bass, but it was just plain flat. Some later sequences sounded great, but it was kind of all over the place. AJG  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 09-18-2011 12:46 PM                        I thought the sound overall was a little softer than normal. We are playing this at 7.0 which would normally be a little too loud (we're normally at 5.8 to 6.3) but it sounds fine. The bass sounded OK to me during the action scenes but I thought it was kind of weak during the songs.  |  IP: Logged

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