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Author Topic: Audio Processors for digital/35mm mix. Adam Fraser Master Film Handler Posts: 499 From: Houghton Lake, MI, USA Registered: Dec 2001 posted 10-22-2011 07:27 PM                        I have been looking to change some things around in our sound rack when we switch to digital projection sometime next year. We plan on keeping one 35mm projector around along with the DA-20 and getting rid of the CP-55. The CP-55 is at least 20 years old and looking to get something new installed with the new projection gear. What cinema processors are out there that can handle film and digital in one unit without external D/A converters, etc? The only one I have seen so far seems to be the JSD-80, but am just beginning to look around at what is available. We have yet to decide on what projector/server combo we will choose, but that should be figured out in the near future. It will most likely be a Barco/Dolby combo or NEC/GDC combo.  |  IP: Logged Pete Naples Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1565 From: Dunfermline, Scotland Registered: Feb 2001 posted 10-22-2011 07:38 PM                     All in one, you have only 2 choices. Ultra Stereo JSD80 Dolby CP650 - Note only model CP650 has on board AES/EBU inputs. It would also replace your DA20. Another option, Dolby CP750 or USL JSD100. Hook your existing CP55/DA20 into the multichannel input, flatten the Eq on the CP55 and set its output levels.  |  IP: Logged Alan Gilbertson Expert Film Handler Posts: 148 From: Carpentersville Il 60110 Registered: Nov 1999 posted 10-22-2011 07:56 PM                        DataSat AP20, you can also hook up your DA20 to it. You will need to add there optional film card to it as well. The AP20 should take you well into the future as it is capable of 16 channels.  |  IP: Logged David Zylstra Master Film Handler Posts: 432 From: Novi, MI, USA Registered: Mar 2007 posted 10-22-2011 08:50 PM                     I have been using the QSC DCP300 - 16 channels of digital in, up to 10 channels analog in for the old system, built in monitor and crossover; or if you need a bit of economy the DCP100 is a little cheaper by reducing to only 10 channels of digital in and 8 analog. For a one peice unit with both digital in and film processing the JSD-80 is a good choice.  |  IP: Logged Steven J Hart Master Film Handler Posts: 282 From: WALES, ND, USA Registered: Mar 2004 posted 10-22-2011 10:14 PM                        We did what Pete suggested and connected the outputs from our existing analog processor into the 6 channel analog input of the JSD100. It works fine. The JSD 100 is really a versatile device. The new configuration software is great. Also, Our amp rack is located behind the screen so its great to have balanced analog outputs on the JSD 100. We used to have balancing transformers connected to each output on our processor. Glad to be rid of those. I''m more impressed with the improvement in our sound (over 35mm DTS) than I am with the picture quality of our new digital projector. Picture looks great, but no better than an excellent 35mm print.  |  IP: Logged Adam Fraser Master Film Handler Posts: 499 From: Houghton Lake, MI, USA Registered: Dec 2001 posted 10-22-2011 10:29 PM                        Is there anything the JSD-80 cannot do that the JSD-100 can? It would seem better to eliminate the CP-55 from the equation and go with the JSD-80, if only to simplify things. I guess I'll have to get both manuals side by side and do some reading. I'll also have to look into the AP20. Thanks everyone for all of the information.  |  IP: Logged Tony Bandiera Jr Film God Posts: 3067 From: Moreland Idaho Registered: Apr 2004 posted 10-22-2011 10:51 PM                     Adam, contact Bevan at Moving Images Technology, he gets a lot of CP-650's pulled from digital upgrades, and check the "Equipment" forum here as Brad may also still have some available at a great price.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 10-23-2011 12:38 AM                     Or, even with the USL ECi60 digital interface can hook up to USL JPX1000 and Dolby 500's with proper breakout cards from Odyssey.  |  IP: Logged Pete Naples Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1565 From: Dunfermline, Scotland Registered: Feb 2001 posted 10-23-2011 03:35 AM                     I didn't mention the AP20, as we simply overlook it on grounds of its eye watering pricetag.  |  IP: Logged Olivier Lemaire Expert Film Handler Posts: 118 From: Paris, Ile de France, France Registered: Jan 2010 posted 10-23-2011 04:39 AM                        quote: I didn't mention the AP20, as we simply overlook it on grounds of its eye watering price tag. The AP-20 is interesting alternative choice: fair price, may be equipped by an analog card for 35mm+digital installation, good sound processing, lots of connectivity, no trouble on the field once installed. In France, we deploy lots of them, along with Dolby products.  |  IP: Logged Pete Naples Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1565 From: Dunfermline, Scotland Registered: Feb 2001 posted 10-23-2011 05:50 AM                     Not here Oliver! It's WAY overpriced. There is also the name, customers ask, who the hell are Datasat? Dolby sells on the name, I have many customers who are not interested in anything but the Double D. USL is making good ground here too. DTS was popular, of course Datasat is DTS, sort of, but it's all bu impossible to get someone to take a product that is a; unheard of, b; moer expensive than anything else.  |  IP: Logged Olivier Lemaire Expert Film Handler Posts: 118 From: Paris, Ile de France, France Registered: Jan 2010 posted 10-23-2011 07:01 AM                        quote: Pete Naples Not here Oliver! It's WAY overpriced. Overpriced?! How far is an AP-16 16 channel there in USD? In Europe, range around 3,5-4 K€ (4,8 to 5,5 K$). quote: Pete Naples Dolby sells on the name, I have many customers who are not interested in anything but the Double D. I see the picture... the same in most european countries. But DTS did some marketing some years ago, and as their AP-20 is now recognized as a "not that bad" product, it's entering the market somewhat easily.  |  IP: Logged Pete Naples Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1565 From: Dunfermline, Scotland Registered: Feb 2001 posted 10-23-2011 10:10 AM                     Last and only price I saw on the AP20, admittedly it was over a year ago now, put it in the £12,000 ballpark. More than a fully loaded CP650! Without SR.D playback and from a name customers don't recognise. Even with all the bells whistles it has, which most people will consuider just that, bells and whistles, that's a lot of ££, when there are perfectly adequate alternatives for a lot less ££. I must admit I did look at the Datasat sales guy in disbelief. This was at Expo in Amsterdam. Maybe they 've adjusted their pricing now, but it was a total not starter for us. One must bear in mind that those who make the buying decisions do not do the using, nor do they really care if the product has lots of toys on board, as long as it fulfills the minimum functions.  |  IP: Logged Olivier Lemaire Expert Film Handler Posts: 118 From: Paris, Ile de France, France Registered: Jan 2010 posted 10-23-2011 10:21 AM                        quote: Pete Naples Last and only price I saw on the AP20, admittedly it was over a year ago now, put it in the £12,000 ballpark Ouch!!! that's sound like a nonsense price. The guy you asked to may have been drunk or something like that?  |  IP: Logged Pete Naples Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1565 From: Dunfermline, Scotland Registered: Feb 2001 posted 10-23-2011 11:55 AM                     Sadly not, he was definitely serious! I suspecgt their sales bosses had not really looked at what the market will pay, thing is sadly, you only get one chance, and to pluck a number like that out of the air as your best price... You blew it.  |  IP: Logged

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