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Author Topic: SAMSARA not in 70mm - only 4K digital Claude S. Ayakawa Film God Posts: 2738 From: Waipahu, Hawaii, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 01-28-2012 01:40 PM                        SAMSARA was world premiered at the Toronto Film Festival but not in 70mm. The film was shot in 65mm but the showing in Toronto was in 4K digital. I am sure some 35mm prints will be made but no 70mm printing is planned. Most of the theatrical showing will be in 4K digital. The movie will probably be shown in large cities such as Los Angeles, New York, San Francisco, London, Tokyo as well as film festivals around the world. SAMSARA was created by Ron Fricke and his first film, BARAKA played in Hawaii but only at the Hawaii Film Festival and that is where I saw it, It was in 35mm with mono sound and the print was badly scratched. Like BARAKA, SAMSARA will eventually will be released on Blue Ray and DVD and I cannot wait for it to come out and I know it will be just as gorgeous as the other film on BD.. -Claude  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 01-28-2012 04:22 PM                     BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! I would take a 70mm setup and install at a local theater at my cost if they would strike 5/70 prints of this.  |  IP: Logged Tony Bandiera Jr Film God Posts: 3067 From: Moreland Idaho Registered: Apr 2004 posted 01-28-2012 05:24 PM                     I'l talk to Mark and see if he'll strike a print for you.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-28-2012 08:19 PM                        Boo! Hiss! At least make some 70mm prints for NYC and LA and then let them tour the rest of the country. Ideally, there should be both mag and DTS prints to maximize the number of venues that can show it in 70mm.  |  IP: Logged Jim Henk Master Film Handler Posts: 364 From: San Diego, CA Registered: Feb 2006 posted 01-28-2012 10:49 PM                     I'd go multiple nights!  |  IP: Logged Jonathan Goeldner Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1360 From: Washington, District of Columbia Registered: Jun 2008 posted 01-28-2012 11:55 PM                     ideally it's best to see this as it was filmed in 65mm, but the 4K does have the advantage that it features 7.1 sound  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 01-29-2012 10:03 AM                     I imagine the 4K imagery will be really sharp and colorful, but it would still be even better if the movie was shown on 70mm. Digital projection needs at least another generation or so of improvements with native resolution and contrast before it can surpass 35mm done right much less aspire to take on native 65mm imagery projected on 70mm. When systems can jump up to 8K and the black levels can get sufficiently deep then digital in commercial cinema will have the capability to impress audiences and deliver something people can't have in their home theaters. Paul Thomas Anderson's upcoming movie, The Master, poses a similar problem. He reportedly filmed the movie using the same Panavision 65mm camera system used on Samsara. But there is a question on whether the release will have any 70mm prints.  |  IP: Logged Sean Weitzel Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 619 From: Vacaville, CA (1790 miles west of Rockwall) Registered: Dec 1999 posted 01-29-2012 10:51 AM                     I didn't think it was possible to stripe and sound mag anymore. Something to do with the EPA and the chemicals that go into the striping compounds. I'd settle for a DTS track.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 01-29-2012 11:42 AM                     With the newer "Datasat" players it's possible to use the 70mm DTS time code to sync to higher quality audio formats on the hard disc, like uncompressed 24-bit 96kHz 7.1 audio or even something better than that if the unit was upgraded.  |  IP: Logged Daniel Schulz Master Film Handler Posts: 387 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 01-29-2012 11:53 AM                        We could certainly do 7.1 (or more!) channels in Datasat Digital Sound with a 70mm print, but unfortunately can't do uncompressed or lossless. There will be a Datasat soundtrack on the 35mm prints, and my understanding is they've not thrown in the towel yet on the 70mm; I'm hopeful that in the end they'll decide to strike 1 or 2 70mm prints.  |  IP: Logged Brian Guckian Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 594 From: Dublin, Ireland Registered: Apr 2003 posted 01-29-2012 12:17 PM                     As they went the DI route I think that makes striking prints very difficult. Really they would have to go back and cut the negative and somebody would have to finance that. Perhaps one could look at a filmout from a CRT recorder but even if that were affordable it would probably negate the advantages of shooting in 65mm in the first place. I think once they decided to do a DI that was the end of the print option.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 01-29-2012 12:29 PM                     quote: Brian Guckian As they went the DI route I think that makes striking prints very difficult. When they did the 8K digital intermediate of Baraka they created an archival 70mm print from it. quote: Daniel Schulz We could certainly do 7.1 (or more!) channels in Datasat Digital Sound with a 70mm print, but unfortunately can't do uncompressed or lossless. The data sheet on the AP20 says it can decode DTS HD Master Audio. Is it only able to do that from a source on something like Blu-ray?  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 01-29-2012 01:04 PM                     The AP20 does not handle DTS/Datasat tracks directly...it is strictly a DSP based cinema processor. It would team with an XD20 for handing film digital. And with that any 70mm prints could have up to 16-channels of sound if one desired. And mag prints are certainly possible though less desirable at this point except for the cost of a 1-off. It would be a shame for a movie to be shot in 65mm and not released in 70mm. The film out should not go through a 4K DI though as it will not let the 70mm print show all of the detail in the negative. I'm sure the AFI/Silver would be willing and able to run the 70mm print in the DC area if it existed...they can handle mag or DTS and are planning a 70mm festival this year anyway. -Steve  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-29-2012 03:03 PM                     DKP Imax has the capability to scan to 70mm for some silly reason  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 01-29-2012 03:47 PM                     quote: Bobby Henderson When they did the 8K digital intermediate of Baraka they created an archival 70mm print from it. You sure about that? What is your source? That is not what I was told by one of the guys involved.  |  IP: Logged

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