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Author Topic: HFR - Dolby DSS200 and Barco DP2K-32B Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 12-13-2012 12:53 PM                     I've got a Dolby DSS200 and a Barco DP2K-32B. The projector is still 2K, with no mod's. Can I run HFR 2D? -- I'm assuming "yes" since 3D is 48fps, but please confirm. Can I run HFR 3D? -- ??? Let's assume I'm gearing up to play "The Hobbit."  |  IP: Logged Dennis Benjamin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1445 From: Denton, MD Registered: Feb 2002 posted 12-13-2012 01:16 PM                        Don't you need the I.M.B. from Dolby? The CAT 745. It is needed to do H.F.R. 2-D or 3-D.  |  IP: Logged Olivier Lemaire Expert Film Handler Posts: 118 From: Paris, Ile de France, France Registered: Jan 2010 posted 12-13-2012 01:49 PM                        Manny: you need an IMB to perform 3D HFR (3D@48fps for now) your serie-II projector is ok (just have to be software upgraded). For 2D@48fps, you can do it with your actual setting, no technical pb.  |  IP: Logged Antti Nayha Master Film Handler Posts: 268 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: Oct 2008 posted 12-13-2012 01:51 PM                     From the DSS200’s specifications sheet: quote: JPEG 2000 maximum bit rate 250 Mbps; supported frame rates 2D at 24, 25, 30, and 48 fps, 3D at 24, 25, and 30 fps So you should be able to run 2D 48 fps, which has always been in the DCI spec anyway. I’ve personally only ran 25 and 30 fps so far with a DSS200 + 32B combination. Both work flawlessly, except you need to close the dowser for a second or two during speed changes if you have several fps’s in one show – otherwise you get nasty color effects on screen as the Barco re-syncs to the new speed. Has anyone actually ever seen a 48fps 2D DCP? As we know, there is no such version of The Hobbit (the 2D versions are 24fps only).  |  IP: Logged Alan Gouger Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 501 From: Bradenton, FL, USA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 12-13-2012 03:08 PM                        Regarding Dolbys DSS200 and the new CAT 745 has there been any word when the HDSDI ports or HDMI will be activated.  |  IP: Logged Nerijus Marmokas Film Handler Posts: 41 From: Panevezys / Lithuania Registered: Jan 2012 posted 12-14-2012 08:04 AM                     I there was any word, I wouldn't count on Dolby to keep on it Funny people the are.. sometimes  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 12-15-2012 11:29 AM                     Note, with Dolby 4.5.3 and beyond, the 450Mbs rate is supported for the CAT 745. 24 and other rates can be mixed in the show though as others have said, you will likely see what looks like a glitch on the transition between the rates. The average patron won't think anything of it but when you see the flash or so at the top of the screen...that is the change in rates. And yes, HFR-3D does require an IMB.  |  IP: Logged Dave Macaulay Film God Posts: 2321 From: Toronto, Canada Registered: Apr 2001 posted 12-15-2012 11:42 AM                     You do need to upgrade the projector. Main software package 1.9.99 or higher and ICP 4.1.1 are recommended/required. Main software 1.9.104 has a few bug fixes from .99 which don't relate to HFR (or to the most common cinema installations) from my reading of the changelog. There's also a new ICP version coming in the next little while that should be installed in HFR systems asap once out.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 12-15-2012 12:03 PM                     Note...all DLPs should be on ICP 4.1 (and beyond) if you have 4K or you WILL have issues with 2D/3D transitions if there are are frame rates involved too (including from alternative content sources). ICP 4.0.420 was a bit a of a problem child. It was not as easy to transition from 3.2.340 (which was a good ICP version) and it wasn't the most stable, in my opinion...it seemed a bit forced in an attempt to deal with HFR. NEC even supplied a "beta" version of 4.0.425 in their 4.003 package, Christie had a patch 3.1.1.0 to step one off of 4.0.420. Barco waited to 4.1.1 (which the others are now on too).  |  IP: Logged Mattias Mattsson Film Handler Posts: 90 From: Göteborg, Sweden Registered: May 2007 posted 12-16-2012 05:16 PM                     Unfortunately ICP v4.1.1 seems to have a problem with CineCanvas subtitles when playing 4K-material (e.g. "Skyfall") on a 2K-projector. The text is projected a couple of seconds early..  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 12-16-2012 08:51 PM                     Wonderful...thanks for the heads up. I swear you'd think that captions were the hardest thing in th world! It seems like EVERY ICP version has something to do with fixing the captions/subtitles. 3.2.340 was my last "stable" ICP version.  |  IP: Logged Antti Nayha Master Film Handler Posts: 268 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: Oct 2008 posted 12-17-2012 05:48 PM                     quote: Steve Guttag 24 and other rates can be mixed in the show though as others have said, you will likely see what looks like a glitch on the transition between the rates. The average patron won't think anything of it but when you see the flash or so at the top of the screen...that is the change in rates. I’ve seen a lot of really ugly speed changes on a Barco B + DSS200 combination, mostly going from 24 fps to 25 and back. If a clip right before a speed change ends with any sort of picture – instead of a few seconds of black ”leader” – the final frame is frozen on the screen for a full second or so with seriously psychedelic colors. The average patron will certainly notice it (I heard them snickering). The same thing happens for the first frame of the second clip, right after the speed change, unless it starts with black. The only way I’ve found to play a speed change perfectly, without any flashes on the screen whatsoever, is to use the dowser. This is how I build a multi-fps show: film clip (24 fps) dowser close 1 sec black (24 fps) 1 sec black (25 fps) dowser open film clip (25 fps) Yes, I know, it’s ridiculous. You wouldn’t think this would be that hard to fix in the ICP software, would you…?  |  IP: Logged Phil Ranucci Expert Film Handler Posts: 236 From: Carpinteria,CA, United States Registered: May 2006 posted 12-17-2012 10:38 PM                     GDC sent out special 'black' clips to use before the HFR Hobbit.It's placed after your trailer pack. Without it you get an over/under image with Real-D  |  IP: Logged

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