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Author Topic: DCP format naming convention needs to be updated Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 03-06-2013 07:10 PM                     So when a new format (picture or sound) is either adopted or at least introduced on a major release...who is responsible for adding the identification to the DCP naming lexicon? I see that OZ has the sound format "111_HI_VI" as one of its version files. I presume that "111" is Barco's Auro 11.1 (it is the only thing that would make sense). How about Dolby Atomos? What would that file have for the sound format? And then there is the HFR stuff. Is it sufficient to just use the "48" designator? Because there are data rates involved too. Hobbit used a 450MBs but subsequent systems are aiming at 500MBs. Hopefully, the data rate will not matter in the long run...all systems will run what is available. But for now, all systems have geared up for 450MBs because they had to.  |  IP: Logged Dominic Espinosa Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1172 From: California, U.S.A. Registered: Jan 2004 posted 03-07-2013 10:17 AM                     I would suspect the "codes" are going to get even more convoluted in a short time with all the new technologies. The problem being, the file names are getting long. Being that most OS's are Linux the filename limit is 255 characters for most FS types. In reality, they should probably just name the files with the most basic of information and provide all the other details inside the CPL. I'd rather have: OZ_CCAP_OV-DOMSETIC.cpl.xml and such then have all the relevant data inside the file. I personally feel that with only minor exceptions the rush by all the manufacturers to roll out their digital products, so as to be competitive, stunted the development of sensible interfaces and smart standards. Of course now we're all deployed, several versions of DCI later, and backward-compatibility needs to be considered. I guess it would be impractical to change it now. So I suppose we're stuck with it.  |  IP: Logged Frank Cox Film God Posts: 2234 From: Melville Saskatchewan Canada Registered: Apr 2011 posted 03-07-2013 10:31 AM                        I've never found a way to see the whole filename on my GDC server when ingesting from a hard drive. This creates a challenge when the only difference is 71 or 51 near the end of a long filename because it's past the end of the column length. Fortunately, 51 is before 71 alphabetically so I can figure it out from that, but still...  |  IP: Logged Geoff Power Film Handler Posts: 38 From: Pershore, Worcs, UK Registered: Apr 2012 posted 03-07-2013 10:51 AM                    Agree with all the above. On DoReMi I can only briefly see the full filename when I hover over it. Trying to work out why a KDM is failing to activate can be a real pain when there may be only a small character difference. And as Steve Pike recently observed, some films such as Hobbit can have upwards of 20 assets to choose from which makes life stressful at times.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-07-2013 11:36 AM                        I just wish they would ALWAYS put the actual name of the movie first, not some stupid acronym like "GH" or "PW3" or whatever. Also, if it's a special thing for a chain -- put the name of the chain first, so everything for Regal is listed in the same place. What'd be even better is if you didn't even need to see all the file names. On the server there should be a feature where you can set it up to ignore what you don't need, like (in our case) 7.1, OCAP, Dbox, 11.1, etc. and just present you with a list of what you can actually use. Clearly the whole thing was designed by engineers without being run through whatever department is supposed to make things user-friendly.  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 03-07-2013 05:09 PM                     They are currently working on a metadata addition at isdcf - the same guys that maintain the digital cinema naming convention. http://isdcf.com/papers/ISDCF-Doc6-Composition-Metadata-Guidelines.pdf - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 03-07-2013 06:37 PM                     With Dolby, you can see whole shebang, if you widen the columns or look at its "properties".  |  IP: Logged Tom Wienholt Master Film Handler Posts: 371 From: Towson, MD, USA Registered: Dec 2002 posted 03-07-2013 09:51 PM                     With GDC, in my experience, you can also see the whole thing by hitting the "expand" button.  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 03-08-2013 04:21 AM                     Doremi as well - if you just hover over the filename. However, not so easy with the DCP-2000 touchscreen models. - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Wolfgang Woehl Film Handler Posts: 31 From: Munich, Germany Registered: Apr 2012 posted 03-08-2013 03:04 PM                        Steve, as for your original question: The naming convention is on ISDCF's plate. At the last meeting it was discussed and there's an effort on the way to amend and update the nomenclature. Might take a while but it will happen.  |  IP: Logged

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