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Author Topic: Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 1 Reel 1 Test CPL Justin Hamaker Film God Posts: 2253 From: Lakeport, CA USA Registered: Jan 2004 posted 11-14-2014 06:14 PM                        As has become the norm for Lionsgate's blockbuster movies, they will only allow us to QC reel 1 prior to the Thursday night premiere. I do not yet know when keys will be valid for this test, but I believe it was Tuesday night last year. Presumably the keys for the full movie will not be valid before 5:00-6:00pm on Thursday 11/20. Per the Projectionist letter the test CPL has to be ingested in addition to the feature CPLs. If you are running a Hunger Games marathon, it appears Hunger Games and Catching Fire will be on the same drive as Mockingjay.  |  IP: Logged Buck Wilson Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 894 From: St. Joseph MO, USA Registered: Sep 2010 posted 11-14-2014 08:59 PM                     What point is testing the test CPL if it's not the feature? *SIGH*  |  IP: Logged Marco Giustini Film God Posts: 2713 From: Reading, UK Registered: Nov 2007 posted 11-15-2014 05:21 AM                     The CPL will be a VF of the OV, hence what you're seeing on screen will be what you will be seeing when running the OV. Sure, it won't give you 100% assurance that it's going to work but you'll be quite confident that the picture fits the screen and the sound level is the expected one. If the alternative is to receive nothing, I say this is a good compromise.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 11-15-2014 07:04 AM                     Justin...confirmed, all three features are on a single drive (but as separate features)...the drive I saw had all of the "normal" versions and a separate Auro version of Mockingjay...Atmos, if available on this title, was not on the drive.  |  IP: Logged Adam Martin I'm not even gonna point out the irony. Posts: 3686 From: Dallas, TX Registered: Nov 2000 posted 11-15-2014 09:46 AM                     There is a separate drive for the Atmos version which also includes an Atmos version of the Insurgent trailers.  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 11-15-2014 03:50 PM                     Am I right that ATMOS DCPs HAVE to be on separate drives because they are SMPTE DCPs, while the rest of the breed is Interop? Currently, you can't mix these. I think it's the same for The Hobbit II & III HFR releases. - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 11-15-2014 07:44 PM                     On a comparison note: "Big Hero 6" ATMOS is SMPTE and separate drive, were "BH6" 5.1/7.1 is IOP on its own drive. -Monte  |  IP: Logged Jeff Kuschel Film Handler Posts: 4 From: New Richmond, WI, USA Registered: Mar 2014 posted 11-16-2014 11:17 AM                     Forgive my lack of knowledge, but why do both the feature CPL and the test CPL have to be ingested in order for the test CPL to work?  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 11-16-2014 11:33 AM                     Gosh Jeff...what a stupid question! You should only ask questions for those things for which you have the answer to! The reason was actually discussed above (see Marco's post). The Reel 1 test is actually just a "Version File"...signified by the "VF" at the end of its "easy to decipher name." A Version File does not contain all of the content needed to run a DCP...it may only have a description in it on how to build the DCP or may contain that which is different about that version...say the 7.1 soundtrack or subtitles for a particular language. As such they are very small, comparatively. With ANY version file, one has to have an associated "OV" or Original Version...which is the base version that has everything needed to form a complete DCP (CPL...Composition Play List). A VF file then modifies that as needed as described in the VF to make a unique DCP. In this manner, there is likely one one set of "picture" files which take up the bulk of the space. In this manner, you are not taking up much more space to have several versions of the same movie because all of the various VF files are only taking up a small amount of space. However, this SMPTE encoding people are talking about would NOT be a mere version file...in order to have both an SMPTE and IOP versions on the same HDD...there would need to be two complete OVs since the base file would be unique for each...and then all of the VF files to that OV would have to be different...you'd have so many duplication of names on one drive with small nuances (that often only come at the end of the name that most systems don't let you see easily)...the odds that people would select the wrong one would be rather high. Atmos, being a relatively small installation base, is probably easier to just segregate those. However next year, everyone is supposed to move over to SMPTE encoding. Interop was supposed to just be a stop-gap.  |  IP: Logged Jeff Kuschel Film Handler Posts: 4 From: New Richmond, WI, USA Registered: Mar 2014 posted 11-16-2014 11:55 AM                     Steve...thank you for the explanation. When I was reading Marco's reply, I had no idea what the abbreviations meant. So, when we want to run the test for Mockingjay, we will need to tell our servers to play the test (VF) file, which will automatically grab any content it may need from the "full" original (OV) file.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 11-16-2014 02:16 PM                     It's the KDM file (key) that makes that determination on which file is to be played and how long, not the server. You'll get a special test key that has coding to allow playback of the content for a certain amount of time, and will not allow the entire package to be played. Then, you'll receive and ingest the actual feature key that overrides that previous test key for full feature playback, but at a later time. the CPL can also be the full feature content, but it's under control of the key's instruction on how much can be played, or all.  |  IP: Logged Marcel Birgelen Film God Posts: 3357 From: Maastricht, Limburg, Netherlands Registered: Feb 2012 posted 11-16-2014 05:21 PM                     quote: Steve Guttag However next year, everyone is supposed to move over to SMPTE encoding. Interop was supposed to just be a stop-gap. Nothing is as permanent as a temporary solution . Do we actually expect "them" (studios et all) to re-encode their existing stockpile of interop DCPs to SMTPE, so we could, one day, kill the support for "Interop" in all deployments?  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 11-17-2014 06:14 AM                     Wrong Monte. The server is what "chooses" what file to play. The key merely allows it. You can have a valid key for the reel 1 as well as the full feature and you can choose to play either if both are valid. There is no key overriding the other key.  |  IP: Logged Justin Hamaker Film God Posts: 2253 From: Lakeport, CA USA Registered: Jan 2004 posted 11-17-2014 01:32 PM                        In an attempt to clear this up, I was under the impression that the CPL was what determined what would be played (picture file, audio file, captions, etc), and that each CPL requires a unique KDM. One point I'm not clear on is how things like closed captions and alternate language subtitles are handled. Are these all contained in the main DCP, and the CPL chooses which parts to use? Or does the CPL for Spanish subtitles merge a second DCP with the subtitles on top of the main DCP which contains the pictures and audio.  |  IP: Logged Sam D. Chavez Film God Posts: 2153 From: Martinez, CA USA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 11-17-2014 01:38 PM                       At the risk of being pedantic, I would say the KDM instructs the server what to play and if you ask it nicely it will choose to follow the instructions. Actually this is a useful discussion to clear the confusion some of us may have.  |  IP: Logged

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