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Michal Matys
Film Handler

Posts: 70
From: Prague, Czech Republic
Registered: Nov 2014

posted 02-28-2016 08:36 AM

Hi guys,

I have a question about new release which is comming next week - Zootropolis format.

The movie is named as scope, but it looks more like smaller scope letterboxed into normal scope. I believe studios does that because they want some make 3D effect better by making it sometimes go out of the picture, but my question is what do you do with it?
I have been told some sites just zoom in the picture and creates 3rd format, but I dont think it should be like that since the studio did not want it, but on halls where you have huge keystone issue it doesnt look good at all.

Please let me know how you handle those things.

Thanks
Michal

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Carsten Kurz
Film God

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From: Cologne, NRW, Germany
Registered: Aug 2009

posted 02-28-2016 09:32 AM

It's Disney, it's 3D, so it has floating windows. These features come with framing guides to help you with the setup of your screen. You should not mask out the side bars if you show it in 3D.

https://digitalcinema.disney.com/dc3dFloatWinMov.aspx

- Carsten

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Mike Blakesley
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From: Forsyth, Montana
Registered: Jun 99

posted 02-28-2016 11:32 AM

It's also "Zootopia," not Zootropolis.

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Jim Cassedy
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From: San Francisco, CA
Registered: Dec 2006

posted 02-28-2016 11:43 AM

quote: Mike Blakesley
It's also "Zootopia," not Zootropolis.

Actually, Mike, at the risk of nit-picking, I've seen it referred
to both ways. The North American and European versions are
apparently titled differently. Perhaps there's some obscure
trademark or copyright kerfuffle between the continents.

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Michal Matys
Film Handler

Posts: 70
From: Prague, Czech Republic
Registered: Nov 2014

posted 02-28-2016 11:58 AM

Yes, Zootopia, sorry just didnt realise its probably local "translation".

I have managed to find one cinema which actually still have the hdd and have the framing chart there. Although I dont like making new format just because of one movie, I will see what I can do tommorow morning.

Thank Carsten for the explnation

Michal

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Justin Hamaker
Film God

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From: Lakeport, CA USA
Registered: Jan 2004

posted 02-28-2016 05:04 PM

Looking at the posters on IMP Awards, it looks like it is called by at least 4 different titles: Zootopia, Zootropolis, Zoomania, Zootopie (this is probably a translation rather than an alternate).

Zootopia on IMPAwards.com

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Marcel Birgelen
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From: Maastricht, Limburg, Netherlands
Registered: Feb 2012

posted 02-29-2016 12:33 AM

You don't need a special framing chart. It's in scope and uses a floating window, like many animated Disney/Pixar 3D features do.

And yes, it's called Zootopia in de US and Zootropolis over here, even the English version is called that way. For whatever reason, Disney often localizes their titles. Maybe Disney believes we don't know about Utopia but we know all about metropolises...

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Mike Blakesley
Film God

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From: Forsyth, Montana
Registered: Jun 99

posted 02-29-2016 03:41 PM

quote: Justin Hamaker
it looks like it is called by at least 4 different titles: Zootopia, Zootropolis, Zoomania, Zootopie (this is probably a translation rather than an alternate).

I never thought about the language differences. Maybe the suffix "topia" means some off-putting thing in some places.

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Marcel Birgelen
Film God

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From: Maastricht, Limburg, Netherlands
Registered: Feb 2012

posted 02-29-2016 04:33 PM

The UK release also seems to be under the Zootropolis name.

The suffix "topia" doesn't sound more or less off-putting than "tropolis" to me.

According to this IMDB FAQ, the different names might actually have something to do with a potential trademark problem for the name "Zootopia".

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Manny Montes
Master Film Handler

Posts: 270
From: United States
Registered: Feb 2010

posted 02-29-2016 10:56 PM

to check the framing just use the chart that came on the drive, but it is standard scope. If you try and reframe to get it "full" instead of leaving the floating windows your presentation will suffer

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Chris Haller
Film Handler

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From: Rochester, NY, USA
Registered: Dec 2015

posted 03-01-2016 10:07 AM

When it does this floating window process, is it noticeable?

I don't think I've been out to see a Disney animated feature in 3D since they released Beauty and the Beast in 3D, and I don't remember noticing any of this phenomenon. It sounds fascinating.

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Manny Montes
Master Film Handler

Posts: 270
From: United States
Registered: Feb 2010

posted 03-01-2016 11:30 AM

It isn't noticeable with your 3D glasses on because each image is slightly offset, however without the glasses you can tell it's occurring, here's a video direct from disney demonstrating it, it's campy and old but still gets the point across
https://digitalcinema.disney.com/dc3dFloatWinMov.aspx

If you want a more technical read there is a whitepaper here:
https://michaelscroggins.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/bgardner_dynamicfloatingwdws_whitepaper.pdf

it's long and detailed but breaks down with the TL;DR conclusion below:

quote:

While digital cinema projection has improved image alignment during stereoscopic 3-D exhibition, it has not solved any
artifacts in stereoscopic 3-D production. Production has suffered from three major problems: stereo window violation,
retinal rivalry at the image edges, and insufficient depth range. Additionally, the stereo window has been a visual
element in every 3-D film, and even in many other 3-D media, but previously unavailable for creative or 3-D
storytelling[7] purposes by the Director or Stereographer during content production. The articulated Dynamic Floating
Window invention [3] successfully addresses all of these problems.
Even when there are no stereoscopic artifacts to be cured, the Dynamic Floating Window may be used to intensify the
audience’s emotional involvement in the scene, under directorial control. This takes the technique beyond just curing
stereoscopic artifacts, and opens up the technical achievement to enable a wide range of cinematic, spatial, creative, and
artistic uses. These previously had no corresponding opportunities. The Dynamic Floating Window invention has
introduced and opened up a new semantic element in the new spatial grammar of movies, which had previously not
existed in any form, adding three dimensional manipulation of a controllable, directable, articulated stereo window to the
Spatial Language of Movies

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