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Author Topic: DCP Named "C" Bradley J Sime Film Handler Posts: 68 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Registered: Apr 2016 posted 04-22-2016 11:36 AM                     Is this flat or scope?  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 04-22-2016 11:45 AM                        I think C stands for Common, meaning you can play it either way.  |  IP: Logged Bradley J Sime Film Handler Posts: 68 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Registered: Apr 2016 posted 04-22-2016 11:50 AM                     Okay. Thanks. Well, the pixel lay out is closer to that of Scope, so I guess I'll use that? Why the hell does "C" exist?  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 04-22-2016 11:52 AM                        Like I said...so you can play it either way without fear of cutting off the picture. We have a couple of snipes that are in "C" format.  |  IP: Logged Dan Puma Film Handler Posts: 2 From: Greenbelt, MD, USA Registered: Feb 2016 posted 04-22-2016 11:54 AM                     Full Container. It's 1.90. Will be letterboxed in flat. But Steve, et al can tell you a lot more than I can.  |  IP: Logged Tim Linehan Film Handler Posts: 3 From: Los Angeles, CA, U.S.A. Registered: Apr 2016 posted 04-22-2016 12:28 PM                     It's full container 2048 x 1080 - *should* be flat. I've had projects come in as C which were various aspects, i.e., 1:33, 16:9, or 2.39 pillar boxed. I was told that certain DCP authoring programs default to the C, inexplicably sometimes. Look at it and see. It's probably 1.85, slightly letterboxed.  |  IP: Logged Bradley J Sime Film Handler Posts: 68 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Registered: Apr 2016 posted 04-22-2016 01:55 PM                     Thanks guys. I went ahead and made a new 2048x1080 No Crop Channel on my projector. Easiest way. I still don't really see the purpose of the crazy "C" naming convention, but whatever.  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 04-22-2016 02:27 PM                     IF they chose that container type intentionally, a simple 'C' will mean a full container with 2048*1080 active pixels. Any content letterboxed or pillarboxed within a C container should have it's aspect ratio added as a number. See: http://isdcf.com/dcnc/ See also: http://isdcf.com/dcnc/home/appendix-7-projector-aspect-ratio.html And: --- ISDCF recommended practice that for aspect ratios under 1.85 (such as academy aperture 1.33) pillar box in a flat package. For aspect ratio from 1.85 to 2.30 letter box in a flat package. For aspect ratios above 2.30 letter box in a scope package. The suggestion is to inform the theaters of the actual aspect ratio of the feature and not request/require masking - but if someone wanted to - great! BUT you must not mess up the trailers - so the masking would need to be automated before the feature. --- - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 04-22-2016 03:07 PM                        quote: Carsten Kurz ISDCF recommended practice that for aspect ratios under 1.85 (such as academy aperture 1.33) pillar box in a flat package. For aspect ratio from 1.85 to 2.30 letter box in a flat package. For aspect ratios above 2.30 letter box in a scope package. Interesting - all the Todd-AO ratio (2.20:1) studio DCPs I've had (e.g. Oklahoma and Hello Dolly) have been pillarboxed in scope (S-220); presumably because if they were letterboxed in flat, most screens with only two projector presets and vertical masking would just show them flat with a big letterbox if they were F-220. I'm not sure that this is the best recommended practice, given the reality of most of the digital screens out there.  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 04-22-2016 03:31 PM                     Tomorrowland and Jurassic World had been letterboxed in Flat containers (F-20, F-220). That ISDCF recommendation is a fairly recent one, and it is not the law. - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Mike Babb Master Film Handler Posts: 250 From: Norwich UK Registered: Jul 2002 posted 04-22-2016 03:40 PM                        In my experience outside of most major studio releases, C means nothing, and often F means nothing and S means nothing. It's very common to have mismarked titles, or titles with no information at film festivals. But C should be container, 2048 x 1080, it just rarely is.  |  IP: Logged Bradley J Sime Film Handler Posts: 68 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Registered: Apr 2016 posted 04-22-2016 04:14 PM                     I dunno, when I played the C film with a Flat (1920x1080) it looked wack. It looked a little wack using the scope lens, too. The only way I could find to get it where I wanted it was to create a new channel with the dimensions given for a full container.  |  IP: Logged Marco Giustini Film God Posts: 2713 From: Reading, UK Registered: Nov 2007 posted 04-22-2016 05:28 PM                     Full container is not Flat. It's full container! You should have a specific macro on your projector - not that anybody has it. IF the content is actually full container (choose a full container PCF and disable masking to check) THEN you will need a proper macro. Alternatively if you can't be bothered you can chop off the extra picture on the sides.  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 04-22-2016 05:51 PM                        quote: Bradley J Sime I dunno, when I played the C film with a Flat (1920x1080) it looked wack. Possibly because flat (F) is 1998x1080, not 1920x1080. 1920x1080 is F-178.  |  IP: Logged Bradley J Sime Film Handler Posts: 68 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Registered: Apr 2016 posted 04-22-2016 05:55 PM                     Yeah I made a macro for it. *Oh yeah I meant 1998x1080  |  IP: Logged

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