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Author Topic: Series 3 Projectors Greg Routenburg Expert Film Handler Posts: 178 From: Toronto, ON, Canada Registered: May 2003 posted 03-20-2017 12:12 PM                     I was looking up some specs on the Christie Digital website this afternoon and discovered a new model listed, the 2308, which they are referring to as Series 3. Does anyone have any information on this new up and coming series of projectors and how they will differ from Series 2?  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-20-2017 12:36 PM                     Everyone is working up their Series 3 stuff, there will be some on display at Cinemacon. You ought to steal Gord's ticket and attend it this year. Mark  |  IP: Logged Dave Macaulay Film God Posts: 2321 From: Toronto, Canada Registered: Apr 2001 posted 03-20-2017 03:09 PM                     Barco has been calling their ICMP equipped "Alchemy" projectors "Series 3" for a while now. I do not know what the difference is between S2 and S3...?  |  IP: Logged Marco Giustini Film God Posts: 2713 From: Reading, UK Registered: Nov 2007 posted 03-20-2017 05:09 PM                     Marketing? There is a new cinema controller on the latest Barco projectors and they called it Series 3. The Alchemy indeed integrates the ICP but the engine is still the same.  |  IP: Logged Dave Macaulay Film God Posts: 2321 From: Toronto, Canada Registered: Apr 2001 posted 03-20-2017 08:14 PM                     The new CCB design is because some chips on the original are NLA, according to rumors I've heard. Not for any big improvement.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 03-21-2017 07:03 AM                     Considering that the new CCB is a drop-in replacement, no it isn't the big change to "series 3." Their ICMP could be considered a dramatic change because it busts the 500Mb/s limit and expands the resolution/frame rate capabilities. I'm not sure there really needs to be a distinction now between the "series." With Series 0/Mark VII stuff to series 1, you had the obvious 1.2K going to 2K changes as well as going from 4:2:2 single link video to 4:4:4 dual-link. Again, moving from series 1 to series 2, you had a huge shift in how security and processing was to be handled with a standardized slot for where a mediablock could be used and a strong push to make it an IMB type mediablock. The processing power of the series 2 also went up as 24fps 3D was designed in from the onset (remember how most series 1 projectors, designed in 2003/2004 couldn't do full-frame 3D due to processing bottlenecks). Series 2 projectors are the first "DCI Compliant" projectors with Series 1 projectors having bandaid type DCI fixes (GORE board). So, unless the rules change, I just don't see series 3 making such a distinction. I do see the individual projector companies evolving their projectors. One could say the newer RGB laser projectors are such an evolution.  |  IP: Logged Arnold Chase Film Handler Posts: 41 From: West Hartford, CT United States Registered: Nov 2013 posted 03-21-2017 10:26 AM                     With regard to the Christie line, it appears that in addition to a new user interface, they are finally getting serious about allowing alternative content (UHD, etc.) to be played more easily.  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 03-22-2017 07:31 AM                     A while ago I read an interview with the chief of TI's cinema products division in Cinema Technology Magazine. Basically, what he said was that TI's DLP division doesn't want to be an electronics/board OEM supplier, as hey practically did with series 1 and series 2 projectors. They supplied both the design AND hardware/software of important boards, like Enigma, ICP, Cinelink, Cinecanvas, etc., so the projector manufacturers would have both a quick start, and could ensure a solid and manufacturer independent consistent operation of digital cinema systems, including the major security aspects. But they don't want to play that OEM role forever. Starting with S2K, they wanted/allowed the projector manufacturers to take more control (which also allowed to bring down the cost). Like Barco did with their ICMP/Alchemy, which got rid of the TI ICP. So I guess, Series 3, if there will be a common name for it at all, will designate projectors where only DLPs and probably formatter electronics come from TI. I guess there will be no further development of TIs ICP. The enigma is done with anyway (good). - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 03-22-2017 09:58 AM                     The Enigma is still available. I agree with your assessment that TI would like to go back to just being a chip manufacturer and let the design of the systems be with the projector manufacturers. Now when will Barco or another company release a projector like their "Loki" model (for residential) for use in Cinemas. It looks like it could be the type of design for the future. Native 2.37 (Close enough) and 5K.  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 03-22-2017 11:02 AM                     Sure, Enigmas are still available. But they won't make an enigma.v2 or endorse it's future use or something. It was needed for HD-SDI, and that is now legacy technology. - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 03-22-2017 11:28 AM                     We still put in HDSDI based systems GDC still has their SX2001 server that supports it. For 2K systems, there isn't any disadvantage. When was the last time you had a full enigma?  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 03-22-2017 11:56 AM                     When was the last time you had a failed enigma due to tamper switch aging ;-) I fully understand your personal reasons for HD-SDI based systems. My personal stability experience concerning IMB/IMS is with Sony and the Alchemy, and they are as solid connection-wise as HD-SDI (if not more). - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Marco Giustini Film God Posts: 2713 From: Reading, UK Registered: Nov 2007 posted 03-22-2017 12:30 PM                     quote: When was the last time you had a failed enigma due to tamper switch aging ;-) Steve, You cannot possibly be praising the Enigma??  |  IP: Logged Jarod Reddig Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 513 From: Hays, Ks Registered: Jun 2011 posted 03-22-2017 01:41 PM                     Sonys new 4K RGB laser dual engine single lens projector to be shown at CinemaCon is said by Sony to be designed with small cinema and consumer (residential) installations in mind. The prototype is gargantuan from what I hear.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 03-22-2017 04:16 PM                     I'm NOT an Enigma fan. I AM an SDI fan. I'm not, particularly an IMB/IMS fan. Yeah, I've come to grips with them and put them in, like everyone else, but they are not my first pick for a 2K system.  |  IP: Logged

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