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Paul Shuttleworth
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 - posted 01-06-2019 09:15 AM      Profile for Paul Shuttleworth   Email Paul Shuttleworth   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have been asked to provide a pixel by pixel specification of aspect ratios ranging from Academy to Cinemascope.
(1:375, 1:66, 1:85, 2:39)

Is there a calculator or details of recommended ratio for a 2K projector online?

For example 16:9 would be 1920x1080

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Scott Norwood
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There is a discussion of this in an old thread. The conclusion seemed to be that these were the correct dimensions:

1.33: 1440x1080
1.37: 1480x1080
1.66: 1792x1080
1.78: 1920x1080
1.85: 1998x1080
2.39: 2048x858

There has been some variance on how 2.2:1 (70mm) is handled on DCPs. Some put it in the full container (does anyone know those dimensions?) and others pillarbox it into the scope dimensions.

[ 01-06-2019, 05:47 PM: Message edited by: Adam Martin ]

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Paul Shuttleworth
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Thanks Scott,

That's brilliant!

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Carsten Kurz
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Scott - there is no strict ruling in DCI or SMPTE, but:

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ISDCF recommended practice that for aspect ratios under 1.85 (such as academy aperture 1.33) pillar box in a flat package. For aspect ratio from 1.85 to 2.30 letter box in a flat package. For aspect ratios above 2.30 letter box in a scope package.
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So, 2.2:1 should come in a flat container, and be padded with black/letterboxed from 1998*908 to 1998*1080 for 2k.

e.g. http://www.cinematography.com/index.php?showtopic=67434

http://www.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=16;t=003059#000000

General consensus is that the 'C' Full Container should not be used for regular distribution content, only for test purposes or special applications.

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Carsten Kurz
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BTW - in the above table, DCI Scope/2.39:1 is wrong, it is 2048*858

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Scott Norwood
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Typo. Thanks for the correction. Interesting about the ISCDF recommendations, but it makes sense as far as avoiding the need to create additional screen/lens files for common-height-masked cinemas.

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Carsten Kurz
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Yes, I think that is the 'ratio' (pun...) behind it. Also, keep in mind that some systems generate format cues automatically from container flags (TMS spl generators/templates), so, using only F and S is the more robust scheme. Also, I am pretty sure that many human operators nowadays wouldn't know what to do if a 'C' turns up.

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Adam Martin
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quote: Carsten Kurz
many human operators nowadays wouldn't know what to do if a 'C' turns up
Call her a B and tell her to F off!

Thanks, I'll be here all week.

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Carl Martin
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ha ha, thank you brother adam!

i've found that if it isn't 1.78, 1.85, or scope, all bets are off as to what dimensions will be used for the various ratios. i have so many damn screen and lens files for what some fool thinks is the best way to have "mastered" or "remastered" their movie.

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Leo Enticknap
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Another one: 1.19 ("Early sound special" (UK) or "Movietone" (USA) ratio) is 1,290 x 1,080 (2K) and 2,580 x 2,160 (4K).

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