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Author Topic: Cleopatra (1963) (request) John Lasher Master Film Handler Posts: 493 From: Newark, DE Registered: Aug 2001 posted 01-26-2003 06:25 PM                        [Edit] 35mm version: Scope Mono(4 Track Mag. Available) 192 Mins. How many reels? [/Edit] [ 01-27-2003, 11:09 PM: Message edited by: John Lasher ]  |  IP: Logged Bill Gabel Film God Posts: 3873 From: Technicolor / Postworks NY, USA Registered: Jan 2002 posted 01-27-2003 10:33 AM                     The original roadshow prints were 70MM Todd-AO 6Track Mag Stereo. Roadshow prints were 243 mins., cut prints 192mins. 35mm prints scope mag/opt 4track stereo. (no noice reduction)  |  IP: Logged Paul Linfesty Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1383 From: Bakersfield, CA, USA Registered: Nov 1999 posted 01-27-2003 11:18 AM                     quote: The original roadshow prints were 70MM Todd-AO 6Track Mag Stereo. Roadshow prints were 243 mins., cut prints 192mins. Bill, only for about the first week of the roadshow. The film lost 20 minutes by week 2 (this has been well-documented). And I THOUGHT (but I could be wrong about this) that a few weeks later it was whittled down again to the 192 minute length even in the 70mm roadshow prints. The world premiere cut was used, however, for the 90's VHS, LD and DVD release (while the overtures, etc were NOT on the letterboxed LD, they somehow were included on the pan-and-scan VHS tape! When I saw the film in 1976 at San Francisco's El Rey Theatre (double-billed with The Robe), the theatre had scheduled the times assuming the full World Premiere length. It was, of course, the 192 35mm 4-track stereo version (disappointingly,. The Robe only showed in optic mono).  |  IP: Logged Bill Gabel Film God Posts: 3873 From: Technicolor / Postworks NY, USA Registered: Jan 2002 posted 01-27-2003 11:46 AM                     The other post was to say that the roadshow prints started out at 243 mins. I did not say anything about the cuts. Because Fox has had different prints available over the years. One of the last times Cleopatra played in 70MM in Hollywood, was at the Egyptian in June of 1971. (On the 80 foot screen)  |  IP: Logged Claude S. Ayakawa Film God Posts: 2738 From: Waipahu, Hawaii, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 01-27-2003 11:54 AM                        I saw the full version of "CLEOPATRA" during it's Road Show engagement at the Kuhio Theatre in Honolulu in Todd AO 70mm Six Track. Yes, the video is the original longer version but if you bought the DVD when it first came out, it is missing the exit music due to an oversight. I do not know if Fox is still offering to replace the second disc in the set with the exit music but I was able to get a copy after I called a special (800) number soon after the disc was released. All current DVDs of the movie in stores should now have the exit music. By the way, I recently lost almost all of my Fox DVDs to theft but "CLEOPATRA" was not one of them. -Claude  |  IP: Logged Joseph Pandolfi Expert Film Handler Posts: 213 From: Milford, CT. Registered: Nov 1999 posted 01-28-2003 04:13 PM                     The label on my VHS tape is 243 minutes.  |  IP: Logged Paul Linfesty Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1383 From: Bakersfield, CA, USA Registered: Nov 1999 posted 01-28-2003 04:41 PM                     Which matches what I said about the VHS release being the world premiere length as stated by Bill Gabel in the above post. Of course, since I haven't really handled this print, I have no business responding in the first place. [ 01-30-2003, 08:37 AM: Message edited by: Paul Linfesty ]  |  IP: Logged Jeffry L. Johnson Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 809 From: Cleveland, Ohio, USA Registered: Apr 2000 posted 01-31-2003 10:11 AM                        The "American Film Institute Catalog, Feature Films, 1961-1970" lists the running time as "243 min. [Cut to 222 min.]" It also notes: "Opened in London in Aug 1963; running time: 215 min."  |  IP: Logged Michael Brown Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1522 From: Bradford, England Registered: May 2001 posted 01-31-2003 06:25 PM                     quote: The label on my VHS tape is 243 minutes. Um. Frames per second difference between video and film? [ 07-29-2003, 12:09 PM: Message edited by: Michael Brown ]  |  IP: Logged

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