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Author Topic: The Robe (1953) (request) John Lasher Master Film Handler Posts: 493 From: Newark, DE Registered: Aug 2001 posted 01-26-2003 06:42 PM                        Scope (first official scope release) Mono 143 mins.  |  IP: Logged Michael Brown Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1522 From: Bradford, England Registered: May 2001 posted 01-28-2003 11:27 AM                     Is it 2.55:1 then?  |  IP: Logged Aaron Sisemore Flaming Ribs beat Reeses Peanut Butter Cups any day! Posts: 3061 From: Rockwall TX USA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 01-28-2003 12:11 PM                     Only the mag-only prints are 2.55:1. The mag/opt and optical ones will be 2.35:1. -Aaron  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-28-2003 12:15 PM                        If your 35mm print has CS-perforations and ONLY magnetic stripes, the aspect ratio is 2.55:1, which was the original aspect ratio of the mag-striped CinemaScope prints. Prints with an optical track and KS-perforations would be shown 2.35:1 or 2.39:1, recognizing the some image width will be cropped in a contact print. I summarized the history of the "scope" image area for Marty Hart's American Widescreen Museum: http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/widescreen/apertures.htm From 1957 through today, there have been a number of small changes to the anamorphic projector aperture recommended standards. John P. Pytlak of Eastman Kodak dug through countless back issues of the SMPTE Journal in order to provide the following chronology of the changes to the standards: The March 1957 SMPTE Journal has PH22.104-1957, the standard for 2.55:1 anamorphic (no optical track), with an aperture size of 0.912 X 0.715 inches. Notice of withdrawal of this standard was in the January 1964 Journal. The December 1957 SMPTE Journal has PH22.106-1957 for 2.35:1 anamorphic, with an aperture of 0.839 X 0.715 inches. It was unchanged in the September 1964 Journal. The November 1965 SMPTE Journal published PH22.106-1965 still with the 0.839 X 0.715 aperture size. In the September 1970 SMPTE Journal, a new draft of PH22.106 was proposed, with an aperture size of 0.838 X 0.700 inches, to minimize the flashes at splices. This was republished as standard PH22.106-1971 in the October 1971 issue. In the June 1976 SMPTE Journal, the two (flat and scope) projectable image area standards (PH22.58 and PH22.106) were consolidated into one standard and renamed PH22.195. The publication of PH22.195-1984 in the October 1984 Journal still had the scope area as 0.700 X 0.838 inches. The June 1992 SMPTE Journal published a proposed revision, with a scope area of 0.690 X 0.825 inches. In August 1993, the standard was published as SMPTE 195-1993, with the current area of 0.690 X 0.825 inches. So August 1993 is when the two formats became the same width of 0.825 inches. John P. Pytlak  |  IP: Logged Claude S. Ayakawa Film God Posts: 2738 From: Waipahu, Hawaii, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 01-28-2003 02:21 PM                        I am sure some early dye transfer prints of "THE ROBE" with the original four track mag still exist and was wondering how the sound is. I used to collect prerecorded open reel tapes when I was a young man and found after many years, some of the magnetic oxide coating would drop out and the sound quality was not as good as when the tape was new. -Claude  |  IP: Logged Darren Briggs Master Film Handler Posts: 371 From: York, UK Registered: Dec 2001 posted 01-31-2003 04:07 PM                        I would class it as 2.55:1 Mag, as thats the format it was intended for, but as above other variations of sound formats were released altering the picture ratio. Bradford Film Festival have a print of 'The Robe' to screen, not sure if its full 4 track mag format though. Think Dick form there is in Canada at IMAX so can't ask him.  |  IP: Logged

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