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Author Topic: Lawrence of Arabia (1962) Tao Yue Expert Film Handler Posts: 209 From: Princeton, NJ Registered: Apr 2001 posted 11-20-2003 06:58 PM                        Lawrence of Arabia (1962) 1989 restoration and director's cut 40th-anniversary reissue Sony Pictures Repertory ETS depot 13 reels SCOPE 2.39:1 DTS, SRD, SDDS, and SR Kodak Vision 2383, dated 2003 Cinetech logo printed into leaders, also on stickers. Assume they made the print. Already lost several frames on the tail due to people hacking away ID frames. Amazingly, overture and entr'acte still intact, but head lost on reel 1. I suppose that's the best reel to lose a head on, can keep the dowser closed during the overture to hide scratches. Still, otherwise in good condition and came with DTS discs (burned). I wonder what condition this print will be in ten years from now. No, wait, don't tell me, I can guess from a ten-year old print: Careful when booking: insist on a reissue print numbered 4000 or above. In contrast to the print described above, print 1 is acetate, missing the overture and entr'acte, reel 8 is unrunnable, with every single perf torn on one side for at least 100 feet (after which I gave up checking). Looks like someone force-wound it onto a 1980s "pop-in-and-out" metal reel while popped in. More perf damage, scratches, dust on other reels. The crappy print is also listed as "Lawrence of Arabia REISSUE" and probably isn't distinguishable from the new(ish) prints in ETS' computer except by the print number. Hopefully print 1 will get chopped up as soon as we return it, but there may be more of them out there. Also available in 70mm DTS and mag. Fewer theaters are capable of playing those, maybe they'll stay in better condition. [ 11-21-2003, 01:59 AM: Message edited by: Tao Yue ]  |  IP: Logged System Notices Forum Watchdog / Soup Nazi Posts: 215 Registered: Apr 2004 posted 08-11-2006 08:07 PM                 It has been 995 days since the last post.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-11-2006 08:07 PM                        Does anyone have the information for the 70mm prints that are currently available (DTS and mag)? I'm mostly interested in sound format and condition. Thanks.  |  IP: Logged Carl Martin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1424 From: Oakland, CA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 08-14-2006 03:00 AM                        i saw a 70mm print 2 days ago at the castro, but i don't know the print number. all reels had "jj" scratches. the end of reel 3 showed some wear. it played in dts which failed for some unknown reason at the end of reel 3. that could be where one disc ended, i suppose. but instead of silence there was some sort of motorboating. the show was shut down and restarted with sound. it was grainy as is reported typical of 90's prints vs. 1988 prints. edit: this was print #5002. saw the cans kicking around in the lobby. [ 08-20-2006, 05:03 AM: Message edited by: Carl Martin ]  |  IP: Logged John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 08-14-2006 04:32 AM                     Motorboating? Sounds like the fallback to optical kicked in when the dts failed.  |  IP: Logged Ron Curran Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 504 From: Springwood NSW Australia Registered: Feb 2006 posted 08-15-2006 08:33 PM                        Although I have found DTS to be ultra-reliable, I am glad that the analog track is there as a back-up on 35mm prints. Such a back-up would be good for 70mm as well. Can we have an analog back-up for Digital Cinema? Perhaps 35mm film would work.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 08-15-2006 08:56 PM                     An analog backup for D-Cinema? The whole thing is digital. Many D-Cinema installations have their 35mm film projectors removed. If that fails then the only remedy is refunds. Has Lawrence of Arabia ever been adapted to D-Cinema format, such as 2K or 4K? The 4K thing seems like a natural to me.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-16-2006 08:28 AM                     quote: Ron Curran Can we have an analog back-up for Digital Cinema? Perhaps 35mm film would work. How about backup on lacquer disk???  |  IP: Logged System Notices Forum Watchdog / Soup Nazi Posts: 215 Registered: Apr 2004 posted 05-06-2013 06:22 PM                 It has been 2455 days since the last post.  |  IP: Logged Per Hauberg Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 883 From: Malling, Denmark Registered: Jul 2000 posted 05-06-2013 06:22 PM                        LoA 2012 re-release DCP 4K Dolby 5.1 2,21:1 in 2,39 Two parts in one disc English version - No subtitles Part one with overture (First frame at 0:04:15) and intermission text over pic (02:18:40), fade out 02:18:55 followed by music on Black, -ending 02:19:15 Part two with entre d'acte - first frame 0:04:15 (same music as overture, I believe) End credit offset 01:24:15 -content as well original credits as 1988 restoration credits and 2012 restoration credits, ending at 01:27:29  |  IP: Logged System Notices Forum Watchdog / Soup Nazi Posts: 215 Registered: Apr 2004 posted 11-29-2014 07:23 PM                 It has been 572 days since the last post.  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 11-29-2014 07:23 PM                        70mm DTS print #4 of the Harris restoration, playing at the Egyptian tonight 13 reels DTS title # is 02466. CD sets (three discs) were supplied for the 5.1 and five stage channels mix, plus an XD10 "one disc only" DVD-ROM of the five stage channel mix only. Timings are as per the 4K DCP stated above. The intermission is at the end of reel 8 and entr'acte at the start of reel 9. This print is starting to get a bit tatty at the starts and ends, and has been plattered in the past, though we received it with the heads and tails reattached carefully (just one layer of tape and a single splice at each head and tail). Most of the footage still looks very clean, though. All changeover dots needed are present and correct. I've just test screened reels 1, 8, 9 and 13, and apart from one very faint base tramline that comes and goes for about 3 minutes of reel 1, it looks great apart from slightly increased dirt and sparkle on the first and last minute or so of each.  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 09-27-2015 01:37 PM                        Played this print again last night. It's picked up notably more dirt and scratching from other venues in the meantime, which I'm afraid is now significantly distracting in places.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 09-17-2016 05:02 PM                        70mm print #3 from Columbia has a DTS track and is in very good physical condition, with the usual wear at the head and tail of each reel. Unfortunately, the timing (color) is off and most everything in this print appears quite yellow. This was apparently a check print made when the negative was moved to a different lab and before the timing corrections had been fully made. Also, the 5.1 DTS mix for this film differs from the mag mix. It feels "dead" and lacking in high-frequency information. It almost seems as if someone tried to do some noise reduction on the track but went too far in killing the background noise and high frequencies. I had not previously heard the DTS mix and it was disappointing. Also, for reference, in case any are still in circulation, the restoration mag prints are Dolby format 44 (format 42, but with SR noise reduction).  |  IP: Logged Aron Toplitsky Expert Film Handler Posts: 113 From: Gardena, CA, USA Registered: May 2012 posted 09-21-2016 11:29 PM                     I'm not an expert on the topic, but I was quite disappointed with how the 70MM print looked last time I saw it, which was about five years ago at the Aero Theater in Santa Monica. The color and clarity of the image paled in comparison to seeing it at the Ziegfeld in NY in 1989. I remember being in awe of the image and had never seen anything like it.  |  IP: Logged

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